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Title: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 21, 2018, 04:30:28 PM
In my earlier post (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?topic=4297.0) @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) pointed out that former conference rivals of newer B1G teams aren't really "OOC" and @Brutus Buckeye (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=31) pointed out that Stassen's site does not include games when the queried team was not considered "upper division".  

This list is non-B1G opponents played in the post-war era (1946-present).  I've also decided to add the last year that each was played for reference.  So, again going E->W, here is the list:
Rutgers:
Maryland:
Penn State:
Ohio State:
Michigan:
Michigan State:
Indiana:
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 21, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
Now the B1G-W, still going E->W:
Purdue:
Northwestern:
Illinois:
Wisconsin:
Iowa:
Minnesota:
Nebraska:
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Hawkinole on June 22, 2018, 02:09:38 AM
I didn't do calculations, but I saw a lot of Notre Dame games.
Notre Dame was the most logical member for expansion. But in the past 20-years I would say Notre Dame was illogical.
Pitt is in there quite a lot too.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: LittlePig on June 22, 2018, 07:23:27 AM
A lot of PAC-12.  Wash, UCLA, USC pop up on lots of lists.  Not really any SEC.

Interesting that Neb's list does not have any Big 12 teams that were not first in the Big 8.  I guess since Tex, TT,  A&M and Bay were in the Big 12 south and they only saw them 50% of the time in the Big 12.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 22, 2018, 08:15:57 AM
Clearly we should add Miami(OH)
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 08:25:33 AM
Quote from: LittlePig on June 22, 2018, 07:23:27 AM
A lot of PAC-12.  Wash, UCLA, USC pop up on lots of lists.  Not really any SEC.

Interesting that Neb's list does not have any Big 12 teams that were not first in the Big 8.  I guess since Tex, TT,  A&M and Bay were in the Big 12 south and they only saw them 50% of the time in the Big 12.
Nebraska does have aTm on their list and Texas should be on there as well (my mistake, will fix).  
Nebraska's most frequent 1946-present opponents are:
The rest of their Big12 mates are:
Nebraska's B1G-W mates are:
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 22, 2018, 08:33:39 AM
They must have been playing CO regularly, before they joined the Big 6. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Benthere2 on June 22, 2018, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 21, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
Now the B1G-W, still going E->W:
Purdue:
  • 69 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 12 games, MiamiOH, 2006
  • 10 games, Washington, 2002
  • 8 games, Ball State, 2010
  • 6 games, Toledo, 2010
  • tie 6 games, MiamiFL, 1984
  • tie 6 games, Ohio, 2017
  • tie 6 games, CMU, 2014
  • 5 games, Mizzou, Wake, UCLA, Pitt
Northwestern:
  • 23 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 19 games, DOOK, 2017
  • 10 games, Syracuse, 2013
  • 9 games, MiamiOH, 2009
  • 8 games, No. Illinois, 2014
  • 7 games, Rice, 2011
  • tie 7 games, Pittsburgh, 2016
  • 6 games, Air Force, 2003
  • 5 games, BC, Mizzou, Army, IowaSt, USC, UCLA, Stanford
Illinois:
  • 22 games, Missouri, 2010
  • 12 games, UCLA, 2011
  • 11 games, Washington, 2014
  • 10 games, Stanford, 1984
  • tie 10 games, California, 2005
  • tie 10 games, Syracuse, 2007
  • 9 games, USC, 2007
  • 7 games, Washington State, 1998
  • 6 games, Western Michigan, 2016
  • 5 games, Louisville, Pitt
Wisconsin:
  • 15 games, Marquette, 1960
  • 13 games, No. Illinois, 2011
  • 10 games, UCLA, 2000
  • tie 10 games, UNLV, 2011
  • 7 games, USC, 2015
  • tie 7 games, Hawaii, 2015
  • 6 games, Colorado, 2002
  • tie 6 games, Stanford, 2012
  • tie 6 games, California, 1990
  • 5 games, Oregon, MiamiFL, SDSU, WMU
Iowa:
  • 41 games, Iowa State, 2017
  • 20 games, Notre Dame, 1968
  • 13 games, Arizona, 2010
  • 12 games, Oregon State, 1972
  • 9 games, No. Illinois, 2013
  • 8 games, USC, 2002
  • tie 8 games, UCLA, 1985
  • 6 games, No. Iowa, 2014
  • tie 6 games, Pittsburgh, 2015
  • tie 6 games, Kansas State, 2000
Nebraska:
  • 65 games, Missouri, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Iowa State, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas State, 2010
  • 63 games, Colorado, 2010
  • 61 games, Oklahoma, 2010
  • 43 games, Oklahoma State, 2010
  • 13 games, UCLA, 2015
  • tie 13 games, aTm, 2010
  • 12 games, MiamiFL, 2015

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 21, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
Now the B1G-W, still going E->W:
Purdue:
  • 69 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 12 games, MiamiOH, 2006
  • 10 games, Washington, 2002
  • 8 games, Ball State, 2010
  • 6 games, Toledo, 2010
  • tie 6 games, MiamiFL, 1984
  • tie 6 games, Ohio, 2017
  • tie 6 games, CMU, 2014
  • 5 games, Mizzou, Wake, UCLA, Pitt
Northwestern:
  • 23 games, Notre Dame, 2014
  • 19 games, DOOK, 2017
  • 10 games, Syracuse, 2013
  • 9 games, MiamiOH, 2009
  • 8 games, No. Illinois, 2014
  • 7 games, Rice, 2011
  • tie 7 games, Pittsburgh, 2016
  • 6 games, Air Force, 2003
  • 5 games, BC, Mizzou, Army, IowaSt, USC, UCLA, Stanford
Illinois:
  • 22 games, Missouri, 2010
  • 12 games, UCLA, 2011
  • 11 games, Washington, 2014
  • 10 games, Stanford, 1984
  • tie 10 games, California, 2005
  • tie 10 games, Syracuse, 2007
  • 9 games, USC, 2007
  • 7 games, Washington State, 1998
  • 6 games, Western Michigan, 2016
  • 5 games, Louisville, Pitt
Wisconsin:
  • 15 games, Marquette, 1960
  • 13 games, No. Illinois, 2011
  • 10 games, UCLA, 2000
  • tie 10 games, UNLV, 2011
  • 7 games, USC, 2015
  • tie 7 games, Hawaii, 2015
  • 6 games, Colorado, 2002
  • tie 6 games, Stanford, 2012
  • tie 6 games, California, 1990
  • 5 games, Oregon, MiamiFL, SDSU, WMU
Iowa:
  • 41 games, Iowa State, 2017
  • 20 games, Notre Dame, 1968
  • 13 games, Arizona, 2010
  • 12 games, Oregon State, 1972
  • 9 games, No. Illinois, 2013
  • 8 games, USC, 2002
  • tie 8 games, UCLA, 1985
  • 6 games, No. Iowa, 2014
  • tie 6 games, Pittsburgh, 2015
  • tie 6 games, Kansas State, 2000
Nebraska:
  • 65 games, Missouri, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Iowa State, 2010
  • tie 65 games, Kansas State, 2010
  • 63 games, Colorado, 2010
  • 61 games, Oklahoma, 2010
  • 43 games, Oklahoma State, 2010
  • 13 games, UCLA, 2015
  • tie 13 games, aTm, 2010
  • 12 games, MiamiFL, 2015

Interesting info any chance you can also show for Minnesota (they are part of the Big Ten West ) I know they have been down but they do have a very historical past and still should be included
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 22, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 22, 2018, 08:15:57 AM
Clearly we should add Miami(OH)
We should add Minnesota. :)
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: JerseyTerrapin on June 22, 2018, 10:27:58 AM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 21, 2018, 04:30:28 PM
Maryland:
  • 64 games, NCST, 2013
  • 62 games, Clemson, 2013
  • 59 games, Wake, 2013
  • 57 games, UVA, 2013
  • tie 57 games, UNC, 2012
  • 48 games, WVU, 2015
  • 46 games, DOOK, 2010
  • 29 games, Syracuse, 2014
  • 24 games, FSU, 2013
  • 23 games, USCe, 1971
So if I'm reading this correctly, Maryland's true most frequent OOC opponents are WV (48) and Syracuse (29).  
Actually, now that I think about it --
The only teams that could exceed those two are current B1G teams.  Penn State is probably second on the true OOC list (since they've played Maryland at least 30 times and won at least 28 of them).  Of course, the games since 2014 don't count as OOC.  Okay, now I'm in over my head.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 11:12:36 AM
I fixed the B1G-W portion of the OP to include Minnesota and correct my having missed Texas for Nebraska.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 12:05:10 PM
I realize that off-campus games are not very popular with this crowd but, IMHO, Illinois and Missouri should play every year in St. Louis.  

Illinois vs Missouri history:

I most enjoy off-campus games when the off-campus site makes sense because it is between (and preferably roughly half-way between the two schools).  Examples are OU/Texas in Dallas and the WLOCP in Jacksonville.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 22, 2018, 12:24:44 PM
While I am indeed jealous of schools that have fixed out of conference rivalries, OSU doesn't really have a "no-brainer" candidate. West Virginia would probably be the closest thing, but they should be playing Pitt every year. Pitt would be okay, but they should be playing Penn St and/or W Virginia. Notre Dame would be sweet obviously, but they have already been taken ten times over. Poaching that rivalry out of Michigan's back pocket would be satisfying, but highly unrealistic. Kentucky is Kentucky, so that one won't work obviously. Even though they are in the big bad SEC.  Cincinnati would be okay if they ever find their way back into a P5 Conference, which is unlikely. The rest of Buckeye Nation would hate it of course, but not me. 

I do find it aggravating that some schools have a perfect OOC candidate, but just don't schedule it for whatever reason. aTm-Texas, Nebraska-Oklahoma, etc. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 22, 2018, 12:29:36 PM
Same goes for UW, BB. I can't think of a "natural" OOC for them.

Maybe Cal?

Berkeley vs. Berkeley-Midwest?

Or Washington?

UW vs. UW, for the right to be THE UW?


I'd be taking those road trips...
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 12:42:44 PM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 22, 2018, 12:24:44 PM
While I am indeed jealous of schools that have fixed out of conference rivalries, OSU doesn't really have a "no-brainer" candidate. West Virginia would probably be the closest thing, but they should be playing Pitt every year. Pitt would be okay, but they should be playing Penn St and/or W Virginia. Notre Dame would be sweet obviously, but they have already been taken ten times over. Poaching that rivalry out of Michigan's back pocket would be satisfying, but highly unrealistic. Kentucky is Kentucky, so that one won't work obviously. Even though they are in the big bad SEC.  Cincinnati would be okay if they ever find their way back into a P5 Conference, which is unlikely. The rest of Buckeye Nation would hate it of course, but not me.

I do find it aggravating that some schools have a perfect OOC candidate, but just don't schedule it for whatever reason. aTm-Texas, Nebraska-Oklahoma, etc.
As another tOSU fan, I'm not jealous of the schools that have fixed OOC rivalries.  I do like a few of those but I'm also happy with tOSU's longstanding tradition of playing a different "marquee" opponent every year.  I like the variety of playing:
More importantly, I REALLY don't want a "forced" annual OOC rivalry.  UNL/OU, aTm/Tx, USCe/Clemson and others make sense geographically and the schools are at least relative equals.  Forcing Ohio State into an annual rivalry with WVU, Pitt, or Cincy would be horrible IMHO.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: MarqHusker on June 22, 2018, 01:12:04 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 08:25:33 AM
Nebraska does have aTm on their list and Texas should be on there as well (my mistake, will fix).  
Nebraska's most frequent 1946-present opponents are:
  • Three B1G teams that they frequently played prior to joining the B1G (MN-31, PSU-16, IA-14)
  • UCLA (not sure why-13)
The rest of their Big12 mates are:
  • aTm 13 games
  • Texas 13 games
  • Baylor 11 games
  • TTech 11 games
Nebraska's B1G-W mates are:
  • MN:  31 games
  • IA:  14 games
  • UW:  11 games
  • NU:  9 games
  • IL:  8 games
  • PU:  6 games

Nebraska has always scheduled one, or more Pac 8/10/12 (or 'western') team nearly every season since about 1967.  I remember '91 was Utah St, Colorado St, Washington and Arizona St.)  it just so happens UCLA has been scheduled more than any of the others.   I think Wash and ASU are both at about 10 games or so.   The only teams I can't recall them ever playing in the regular season in that time are Arizona and Stanford, though they've bowled against each of them.  I think AZ is on the schedule next decade.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 22, 2018, 02:25:58 PM
I know this makes it a lot harder to run the numbers, but I kinda feel like we should only include OOC games against teams who weren't part of the conference the team was in at the time.

Rutgers, Maryland, and Nebraska shouldn't count OOC games against the teams from the ACC/B12 from the years they were in those conferences. Those weren't OOC games. 

And frankly, if a team like Notre Dame joined the conference, I'd still count all the games that Purdue/MSU/UM had with them over the last 70 years as OOC games, even though they'd then be "conference" opponents. They weren't in-conference at the time, so those were true OOC games.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 22, 2018, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 12:42:44 PM
As another tOSU fan, I'm not jealous of the schools that have fixed OOC rivalries.  I do like a few of those but I'm also happy with tOSU's longstanding tradition of playing a different "marquee" opponent every year.  I like the variety of playing:
  • Boston College:  2026-27
  • Texas:  2025-26, 2005-06
  • Washington:  2024-25, 2007, 2003, 1993-5
  • Notre Dame:  2022-23, 1995-96
  • Oregon:  2020-21
  • Oklahoma:  2016-17
  • VaTech:  2014-15
  • California:  2012-13
  • Miami, FL:  2010-11
  • USC:  2008-09
  • NCST:  2003-04
  • UCLA:  1999, 2001
  • Zona:  2000, 1997
  • Mizzou:  1997-98
  • Pitt:  1993-96
More importantly, I REALLY don't want a "forced" annual OOC rivalry.  UNL/OU, aTm/Tx, USCe/Clemson and others make sense geographically and the schools are at least relative equals.  Forcing Ohio State into an annual rivalry with WVU, Pitt, or Cincy would be horrible IMHO.  
Yeah, and that's why we don't have one. No helmet team in a bordering state except Notre Dame who is already accounted for. 
As far as the schedule rotation, a fixed rivalry would only gobble up one of the three NonCon games. You could still have that kind of a rotation with another one of the non-Conference slots. 
Although being in the B1G East, I guess we have Maryland and Rutgers as fixed non-Conference rivalries. :great:
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: MarqHusker on June 22, 2018, 03:19:33 PM
Nebraska's (true OOC at the time, post-1946) would then be (Excludes bowl games, otherwise Miami/FSU)

1946-present (regular season only)

Minnesota (23) (only Mizzou and OU have beaten Nebraska more than Minnesota, most beatings 1900-1960 though 3-18 since 1963)
UCLA (12) excludes one bowl game
Penn St (10)
Oregon (8)
Arizona St (7) excludes one bowl game
Washington (7) excludes one bowl game
Iowa (7)
Pittsburgh (7)
Miami (6) excludes six bowl games
Oregon State (6)
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 03:29:53 PM
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 22, 2018, 02:25:58 PM
I know this makes it a lot harder to run the numbers, but I kinda feel like we should only include OOC games against teams who weren't part of the conference the team was in at the time.

Rutgers, Maryland, and Nebraska shouldn't count OOC games against the teams from the ACC/B12 from the years they were in those conferences. Those weren't OOC games.

And frankly, if a team like Notre Dame joined the conference, I'd still count all the games that Purdue/MSU/UM had with them over the last 70 years as OOC games, even though they'd then be "conference" opponents. They weren't in-conference at the time, so those were true OOC games.
It depends on what you want the numbers for.  If you want a list of most frequent OOC games then yes, this is inaccurate.  It is both overinclusive and underinclusive:

On the other hand, I was thinking of this as a list of past rivalries that are not current conference rivalries that could be considered for renewal (ie, OU/UNL).  In that sense, including UNL/OU games from when they were in the Big8 and Big12 together makes sense and including tOSU/PSU games from before PSU joined does not.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: betarhoalphadelta on June 22, 2018, 03:46:47 PM
Thanks. I agree with you that it's both underinclusive and overinclusive, and that the real key, as you ask, is "what you want the numbers for."

For your own purpose--identifying potential future rivalries which could encompass previous conference foes--it does make perfect sense. That's a future-looking reason for the number.

I was looking at it more for how often teams built rivalries with teams they weren't required to play. That's more of a past-looking reason for the number.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 04:16:00 PM
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 22, 2018, 03:46:47 PM
I was looking at it more for how often teams built rivalries with teams they weren't required to play. That's more of a past-looking reason for the number.
I do find that somewhat interesting but it is a LOT more work to put together because you have to look at each school's opponents individually and ascertain which games were, as you put it, "not required to be played".  This also touches on @ELA (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=55) 's earlier question about bowl games.  Bowl games are effectively "required to be played" as opposed to scheduled regular season games where the schools get to decide who they want to play.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 05:22:41 PM
My analysis, potential annual OOC rivalries for each B1G school:

Rutgers:
I would say Syracuse.  Most of Rutgers' other frequent past opponents are either no longer D1A (Bowl subdivision) like Colgate, Princeton, etc or are minor teams like Temple, Army, etc.  IMHO Syracuse would be a great annual OOC game for the Scarlet Knights.  Since 1946 Rutgers is 12-24 in 36 games against the Orange (most were BigEast games) so Syracuse has the upper hand but Rutgers has won one out of three so it isn't completely lopsided and it is a 4 hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Rutgers+Stadium,+Scarlet+Knight+Way,+Piscataway+Township,+NJ/Carrier+Dome,+900+Irving+Ave,+Syracuse,+NY+13244/@41.7743873,-76.2723448,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c3c704fb45ad4d:0x73ddb4af078b9fd1!2m2!1d-74.4652984!2d40.5135608!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d9f39936b9c243:0xfa3aa516dcff8766!2m2!1d-76.1363161!2d43.0362269!3e0?hl=en) which is close enough for students/fans to make the trek.  .  

Maryland:
I would say Virginia.  Virginia isn't Maryland's most frequent opponent since 1946, they are fourth behind NCST, Clemson, and Wake but Charlottesville is a lot closer to College Park than those alternatives as just a 3 hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Capital+One+Field+at+Byrd+Stadium,+90+Stadium+Dr,+College+Park,+MD+20742/Scott+Stadium,+1815+Stadium+Rd,+Charlottesville,+VA+22903/@37.5576852,-79.3011525,8z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c7ccde7875a5:0x5f9d758338f1fbe5!2m2!1d-76.9473094!2d38.9902773!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b3865c0c8b70f3:0x6701b6e66df09696!2m2!1d-78.5136879!2d38.0311032!3e0?hl=en).  

Penn State:
This one is obvious, Pittsburgh.  OTOH, I can understand why a lot of Penn State fans might not want Pittsburgh as an annual rival.  It might be bad for business generally to treat Pittsburgh as an equal.  If not Pitt though, it would be between Syracuse and West Virginia and those don't seem any better.  

Ohio State:
There really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Ohio State.  USC is the most frequent OOC opponent since 1946 but they are on the West Coast and already tied in with Notre Dame.  Pitt is the most frequently scheduled opponent (because 8 of the 20 games against USC were Bowls).  

Michigan:
This one is obvious, Notre Dame.  However, if the Irish and/or Wolverines are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Michgian.  After ND, Michigan's next most frequent OOC opponents are Navy then four Pac schools.  

Michigan State:
This one is obvious, Notre Dame.  However, if the Irish and/or Spartans are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical OOC rivals for Michigan State.  After ND, Michigan State's next seven most frequent OOC opponents since 1946 are Marquette, three directional-Michigan schools, and three Pac schools.  

Indiana:
This one is obvious, Kentucky.  

Purdue:  
This one is obvious, Notre Dame.  However, if the Irish and/or Boilermakers are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical OOC rivals for Purdue.  

Northwestern:
I don't see ONE obvious OOC rival for the Wildcats but I really like Northwestern's trend of playing other great academic schools from P5 conferences (ie Stanford, DOOK).  I'd love to see them set up a rotation where they play Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt etc.  

Illinois:
This one is obvious, Mizzou.  

Wisconsin:
There really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Wisconsin.  Their most frequent OOC opponents since 1946 are Marquette and then a collection of mostly local minor schools and non-local Pac schools.  

Iowa:
I'm not a fan of the Iowa/Iowa State annual rivalry because I think it treats ISU as an equal which is not good for the Hawkeyes.  If we remove that one though there really aren't any logical replacements except perhaps Mizzou but I already claimed them for Illinois.  

Minnesota:
I'd say Washington.  Husky Stadium is a 25 hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/TCF+Bank+Stadium,+Minneapolis,+MN/Washington+State+University,+Pullman,+WA/Husky+Stadium,+3800+Montlake+Blvd+NE,+Seattle,+WA+98195/@45.9949246,-116.7352068,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m20!4m19!1m5!1m1!1s0x52b32d1ec16e5aab:0xbb4571515b260fe7!2m2!1d-93.2249668!2d44.9761659!1m5!1m1!1s0x549f8705c848a86f:0xf465f2a4b55770db!2m2!1d-117.1542121!2d46.7319225!1m5!1m1!1s0x54901494a93b8947:0x184b516c15bccbba!2m2!1d-122.301594!2d47.6503747!3e0?hl=en) from TCF Bank Stadium but I think that Minnesota and Washington are the two northernmost P5 schools and other than WSU in Pullman there aren't any P5 schools located in between these two.  The Cougars would be an alternative but the Gophers have a fairly limited history with Washington State (6 games since 1946 including one Holiday Bowl).  

Nebraska:
This one is obvious, Oklahoma.  Technically the Cornhuskers have more games since WWII against Mizzou, Kansas, ISU, KSU, and Colorado but without the need to look it up I'm confident that those series are substantially more lopsided than the Cornhuskers' series against Oklahoma which also has some VERY memorable past games.  If Oklahoma isn't possible then I would consider Colorado before Nebraska's four most frequent opponents since WWII (Mizzou, ISU, and the two Kansas schools).  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: ELA on June 23, 2018, 01:19:10 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 05:22:41 PM
Michigan State:
This one is obvious, Notre Dame.  However, if the Irish and/or Spartans are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical OOC rivals for Michigan State.  After ND, Michigan State's next seven most frequent OOC opponents since 1946 are Marquette, three directional-Michigan schools, and three Pac schools.  
I've thought for a while that Kentucky would be a fun one.  They've played so many times over the past 20 years in big basketball games, and have gone head to head on a ton of 3* OH recruits as well.  I agree that beyond Notre Dame there isn't really one that makes a ton of sense, but I would get pretty into an annual thing with Kentucky.  I've long thought MSU should schedule some home and homes with the schools they frequently play in big basketball games, but never play in football.  Along with Kentucky; UNC, Duke, Kansas, etc...
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 25, 2018, 08:51:15 AM
Quote from: ELA on June 23, 2018, 01:19:10 PM
I've thought for a while that Kentucky would be a fun one.  They've played so many times over the past 20 years in big basketball games, and have gone head to head on a ton of 3* OH recruits as well.  I agree that beyond Notre Dame there isn't really one that makes a ton of sense, but I would get pretty into an annual thing with Kentucky.  I've long thought MSU should schedule some home and homes with the schools they frequently play in big basketball games, but never play in football.  Along with Kentucky; UNC, Duke, Kansas, etc...
In the same vein, I have argued before that I think Ohio State should schedule BB games against other schools that are similarly good at both sports.  

It is pretty obvious that the average Ohio State fan is a "football first" fan so I think there would be more fan interest in BB games against schools that have names instantly recognizable to football fans.  

In general, for both MSU (vs UK, KU, UNC, Dook) and tOSU (vs TX, OU, UCLA, etc) I think those make more sense as occasional games not every-year rivalries.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 25, 2018, 08:12:59 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 05:22:41 PM
My analysis, potential annual OOC rivalries for each B1G school:

Rutgers:
I would say Syracuse.  Most of Rutgers' other frequent past opponents are either no longer D1A (Bowl subdivision) like Colgate, Princeton, etc or are minor teams like Temple, Army, etc.  IMHO Syracuse would be a great annual OOC game for the Scarlet Knights.  Since 1946 Rutgers is 12-24 in 36 games against the Orange (most were BigEast games) so Syracuse has the upper hand but Rutgers has won one out of three so it isn't completely lopsided and it is a 4 hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Rutgers+Stadium,+Scarlet+Knight+Way,+Piscataway+Township,+NJ/Carrier+Dome,+900+Irving+Ave,+Syracuse,+NY+13244/@41.7743873,-76.2723448,8z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89c3c704fb45ad4d:0x73ddb4af078b9fd1!2m2!1d-74.4652984!2d40.5135608!1m5!1m1!1s0x89d9f39936b9c243:0xfa3aa516dcff8766!2m2!1d-76.1363161!2d43.0362269!3e0?hl=en) which is close enough for students/fans to make the trek.  .  

Maryland:
I would say Virginia.  Virginia isn't Maryland's most frequent opponent since 1946, they are fourth behind NCST, Clemson, and Wake but Charlottesville is a lot closer to College Park than those alternatives as just a 3 hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Capital+One+Field+at+Byrd+Stadium,+90+Stadium+Dr,+College+Park,+MD+20742/Scott+Stadium,+1815+Stadium+Rd,+Charlottesville,+VA+22903/@37.5576852,-79.3011525,8z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b7c7ccde7875a5:0x5f9d758338f1fbe5!2m2!1d-76.9473094!2d38.9902773!1m5!1m1!1s0x89b3865c0c8b70f3:0x6701b6e66df09696!2m2!1d-78.5136879!2d38.0311032!3e0?hl=en).  

Penn State:
This one is obvious, Pittsburgh.  OTOH, I can understand why a lot of Penn State fans might not want Pittsburgh as an annual rival.  It might be bad for business generally to treat Pittsburgh as an equal.  If not Pitt though, it would be between Syracuse and West Virginia and those don't seem any better.  

Ohio State:
There really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Ohio State.  USC is the most frequent OOC opponent since 1946 but they are on the West Coast and already tied in with Notre Dame.  Pitt is the most frequently scheduled opponent (because 8 of the 20 games against USC were Bowls).  

Michigan:
This one is obvious, Notre Dame.  However, if the Irish and/or Wolverines are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Michgian.  After ND, Michigan's next most frequent OOC opponents are Navy then four Pac schools.  

Michigan State:
This one is obvious, Notre Dame.  However, if the Irish and/or Spartans are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical OOC rivals for Michigan State.  After ND, Michigan State's next seven most frequent OOC opponents since 1946 are Marquette, three directional-Michigan schools, and three Pac schools.  

Indiana:
This one is obvious, Kentucky.  

Purdue:  
This one is obvious, Notre Dame.  However, if the Irish and/or Boilermakers are uninterested in having this as an annual rivalry then there really aren't any logical OOC rivals for Purdue.  

Northwestern:
I don't see ONE obvious OOC rival for the Wildcats but I really like Northwestern's trend of playing other great academic schools from P5 conferences (ie Stanford, DOOK).  I'd love to see them set up a rotation where they play Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt etc.  

Illinois:
This one is obvious, Mizzou.  

Wisconsin:
There really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Wisconsin.  Their most frequent OOC opponents since 1946 are Marquette and then a collection of mostly local minor schools and non-local Pac schools.  

Iowa:
I'm not a fan of the Iowa/Iowa State annual rivalry because I think it treats ISU as an equal which is not good for the Hawkeyes.  If we remove that one though there really aren't any logical replacements except perhaps Mizzou but I already claimed them for Illinois.  

Minnesota:
I'd say Washington.  Husky Stadium is a 25 hour drive (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/TCF+Bank+Stadium,+Minneapolis,+MN/Washington+State+University,+Pullman,+WA/Husky+Stadium,+3800+Montlake+Blvd+NE,+Seattle,+WA+98195/@45.9949246,-116.7352068,5z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m20!4m19!1m5!1m1!1s0x52b32d1ec16e5aab:0xbb4571515b260fe7!2m2!1d-93.2249668!2d44.9761659!1m5!1m1!1s0x549f8705c848a86f:0xf465f2a4b55770db!2m2!1d-117.1542121!2d46.7319225!1m5!1m1!1s0x54901494a93b8947:0x184b516c15bccbba!2m2!1d-122.301594!2d47.6503747!3e0?hl=en) from TCF Bank Stadium but I think that Minnesota and Washington are the two northernmost P5 schools and other than WSU in Pullman there aren't any P5 schools located in between these two.  The Cougars would be an alternative but the Gophers have a fairly limited history with Washington State (6 games since 1946 including one Holiday Bowl).  

Nebraska:
This one is obvious, Oklahoma.  Technically the Cornhuskers have more games since WWII against Mizzou, Kansas, ISU, KSU, and Colorado but without the need to look it up I'm confident that those series are substantially more lopsided than the Cornhuskers' series against Oklahoma which also has some VERY memorable past games.  If Oklahoma isn't possible then I would consider Colorado before Nebraska's four most frequent opponents since WWII (Mizzou, ISU, and the two Kansas schools).  
Aside from the anti-Cyhawk rhetoric, I agree with all of this. 
Northwestern: Nailed! 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 25, 2018, 09:03:46 PM
Quote from: MarqHusker on June 22, 2018, 03:19:33 PM
Nebraska's (true OOC at the time, post-1946) would then be (Excludes bowl games, otherwise Miami/FSU)

1946-present (regular season only)

Minnesota (23) (only Mizzou and OU have beaten Nebraska more than Minnesota, most beatings 1900-1960 though 3-18 since 1963)
UCLA (12) excludes one bowl game
Penn St (10)
Oregon (8)
Arizona St (7) excludes one bowl game
Washington (7) excludes one bowl game
Iowa (7)
Pittsburgh (7)
Miami (6) excludes six bowl games
Oregon State (6)
don't forget the Hoosiers

NEBRASKA-
INDIANA 
Series totals
W 8, L 9, T 3
Points for: 345
Points against: 389
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 25, 2018, 09:08:18 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 05:22:41 PM
My analysis, potential annual OOC rivalries for each B1G school:

Nebraska:
This one is obvious, Oklahoma.  Technically the Cornhuskers have more games since WWII against Mizzou, Kansas, ISU, KSU, and Colorado but without the need to look it up I'm confident that those series are substantially more lopsided than the Cornhuskers' series against Oklahoma which also has some VERY memorable past games.  If Oklahoma isn't possible then I would consider Colorado before Nebraska's four most frequent opponents since WWII (Mizzou, ISU, and the two Kansas schools).  
I would pick the Sooners first obviously, but the Mizzou Tigers 2nd, before Colorado
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: MarqHusker on June 25, 2018, 09:58:54 PM
Ah, IU yes. 9 times since 1946.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 25, 2018, 10:17:31 PM
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Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 25, 2018, 11:14:47 PM
thanks to Roy Helu Jr's 66 yard run, 73 yard run, 53 yard run and 307 yards rushing on 28 attempts in 2010 I'm pretty sure the victory bell sits in Lincoln
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 26, 2018, 12:30:04 AM
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Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: TyphonInc on June 26, 2018, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 05:22:41 PM
Ohio State:
There really aren't any logical annual OOC rivals for Ohio State.  USC is the most frequent OOC opponent since 1946 but they are on the West Coast and already tied in with Notre Dame.  Pitt is the most frequently scheduled opponent (because 8 of the 20 games against USC were Bowls).  

Indiana:
This one is obvious, Kentucky.  

Illinois:
This one is obvious, Mizzou.  

Nebraska:
This one is obvious, Oklahoma.  Technically the Cornhuskers have more games since WWII against Mizzou, Kansas, ISU, KSU, and Colorado but without the need to look it up I'm confident that those series are substantially more lopsided than the Cornhuskers' series against Oklahoma which also has some VERY memorable past games.  If Oklahoma isn't possible then I would consider Colorado before Nebraska's four most frequent opponents since WWII (Mizzou, ISU, and the two Kansas schools).  
OSU:
My top priority is having a National Marquee Game every year (H-A.) 2nd priority, I also really like having an Ohio Team on the schedule (H.) For that 3rd OOC I'd prefer it to NOT be another "payday" game against a G5 opponent. If it could be a 2 for 1 with a lower P5 opponent, or even a H-A-Neutral site game that could work. And if it were a neutral site game, I think a Kentucky or Louisville game played in Cincinnati would be a border war blast. If you take 71S from Columbus there are a couple big Billboards the proclaim "Hell Is Real." How cool would it be to have a Hell Is Real rivalry with Louisville (Or if Cincinnati get restored to P5 status with the Bearcats.)

Indiana:
Louisville is closer.
Illinois:
I would love for Missouri to join the B1G, Mizzou has scheduled 4 games with Illinois.
Nebraska.:
Oklahoma - Rivalry Endures 2029 and 30.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: GopherRock on June 26, 2018, 07:02:19 AM
I think the reason why Nebraska-Minnesota has been a relatively friendly series since the Huskers joined the league is that it's a series that dates to the primordial ooze era of CFB, both fanbases and the Gophers are still the only B1G team that is above .500 all time. 

Having spent a fair amount of time around the U of Washington campus, they are pretty much the same school as the U of Minnesota: Big research school on a pretty urban campus where the pro football club sucks all the oxygen out of the room. I would love for the Gophers to regularly renew that series. 

Husky Stadium is the prettiest place in college football. It also has the best in-stadium eating (Ivars clam chowder) in college football. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 26, 2018, 08:46:27 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on June 25, 2018, 09:08:18 PM
I would pick the Sooners first obviously, but the Mizzou Tigers 2nd, before Colorado
That is surprising to me, but one of the reasons I wanted to post this was to get thoughts from other fanbases.  Did the Colorado season-ending "rivalry" in the old B12 feel "forced"?  Is that why?  Just curious. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2018, 08:49:55 AM
It felt "forced" to me, as an outsider.

The XII messed up by not having OU and UNL as fixed crossovers.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 26, 2018, 08:50:22 AM
Quote from: GopherRock on June 26, 2018, 07:02:19 AM
I think the reason why Nebraska-Minnesota has been a relatively friendly series since the Huskers joined the league is that it's a series that dates to the primordial ooze era of CFB, both fanbases and the Gophers are still the only B1G team that is above .500 all time. 
Do you mean to say that the Gophers are the only B1G team above .500 against the Cornhuskers?  If so, I think this is wrong.  AFAIK, the Buckeyes are 5-1:
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 26, 2018, 08:58:30 AM
Quote from: TyphonInc on June 26, 2018, 01:22:07 AM
OSU:
My top priority is having a National Marquee Game every year (H-A.) 2nd priority, I also really like having an Ohio Team on the schedule (H.) For that 3rd OOC I'd prefer it to NOT be another "payday" game against a G5 opponent. If it could be a 2 for 1 with a lower P5 opponent, or even a H-A-Neutral site game that could work. And if it were a neutral site game, I think a Kentucky or Louisville game played in Cincinnati would be a border war blast. If you take 71S from Columbus there are a couple big Billboards the proclaim "Hell Is Real." How cool would it be to have a Hell Is Real rivalry with Louisville (Or if Cincinnati get restored to P5 status with the Bearcats.)
I agree 100% on the top priority.  I'm also fine with the idea of the "payday" game being against an in-state opponent.  
I really like the idea of doing 2 for 1 deals with lower P5's and I would include high-end non P5 teams in that discussion.  Ie, I thought MSU's 2 for 1 deal with Boise made a lot of sense.  I could also go for a H-A-N three game series with a quality opponent.  
I agree that Kentucky or Louisville with some perhaps played in Cincy would be great, but not as an every-year thing.  I'd like that as an occasional or one-off thing.  
I have less than zero interest in anything that approaches treating UC as an equal.  That would be bad for long-term business and I would be adamantly opposed.  
If you really wanted to get creative I'd be interested in some foreign neutral site games (perhaps as part of H-A-N or mixed 2 for 1/HAN deals):
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2018, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 26, 2018, 08:50:22 AM
Do you mean to say that the Gophers are the only B1G team above .500 against the Cornhuskers?  If so, I think this is wrong.  AFAIK, the Buckeyes are 5-1:
  • Ohio State won two games in Columbus in the 1950's
  • Ohio State lost the first ever B1G game played in Lincoln, Nebraska (I was there with @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) )
  • Ohio State has won three B1G games against Nebraska since then

UW is 8-4 against UNL (2-3 before becoming conference mates).
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 09:24:51 AM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 26, 2018, 08:46:27 AM
That is surprising to me, but one of the reasons I wanted to post this was to get thoughts from other fanbases.  Did the Colorado season-ending "rivalry" in the old B12 feel "forced"?  Is that why?  Just curious.
oh, it wasn't forced.  The Ralphie fans and those top notch Buffs teams made it a rivalry for sure.
It's just that it only lasted a few years compared to the rivalry with the Tigers.
huskers are 49-18-2 vs Ralphie
65-36-3 vs the Tiggers
Tigers had wins in 67, 68, 69, 73, 74, 76, and the upset in 78 sent the Huskers to a rematch with the Sooners in the Orange bowl.  Possibly Barry's best team.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 26, 2018, 08:50:22 AM
Do you mean to say that the Gophers are the only B1G team above .500 against the Cornhuskers?  If so, I think this is wrong.  AFAIK, the Buckeyes are 5-1:
  • Ohio State won two games in Columbus in the 1950's
  • Ohio State lost the first ever B1G game played in Lincoln, Nebraska (I was there with @FearlessF (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=10) )
  • Ohio State has won three B1G games against Nebraska since then

before the Huskers joined the B1G the Hoosiers were 9-7-3 vs the Huskers
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: MarqHusker on June 26, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
McCartney definitely played the 'red letter' game up,  banning Big Red soda from store shelves, etc.  It was a little forced, at least at the outset, but the game deserved rivalry status, at least for a 20 yr period.*  It was useful that CU ascended as OU went through its dark age period post-Switzer.  Same with KSU.  

F Mizzou fans (my least favorite bunch from the old days).  I have more impressionable memories of Mizzou football thanks to the hilariously bad Woody Widenhofer and Bob Stull eras.  I know they had much more glory with Devine and Powers, but it certainly predates me.  

* I suspect it is/was always a bigger deal for Nebraskans, particularly those in western NE, or the many expats in the Denver metro area, at least that's what I'm told by cousins.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: ELA on June 26, 2018, 09:55:08 AM
Quote from: MarqHusker on June 26, 2018, 09:39:46 AM
McCartney definitely played the 'red letter' game up,  banning Big Red soda from store shelves, etc.  It was a little forced, at least at the outset, but the game deserved rivalry status, at least for a 20 yr period.*  It was useful that CU ascended as OU went through its dark age period post-Switzer.  Same with KSU.  
I think this is the key.  If Penn State and Michigan State had both been as good, together, for a decade, like Nebraska and Colorado were, I think that would have gained more traction too.  Granted as it was maybe starting to, with the new divisions, the Big Ten took it away again, go figure.
The other thing Nebraska-Colorado had, is that while Nebraska viewed Oklahoma as the rival, Colorado didn't have a natural #1 rival in conference otherwise, so they fully bought in.  Neither MSU or PSU is ever going to fully buy into that rivalry as long as UM and OSU are still in the conference.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 01:00:31 PM
Quote from: ELA on June 26, 2018, 09:55:08 AM

The other thing Nebraska-Colorado had, is that while Nebraska viewed Oklahoma as the rival, Colorado didn't have a natural #1 rival in conference otherwise, so they fully bought in.  Neither MSU or PSU is ever going to fully buy into that rivalry as long as UM and OSU are still in the conference.
Ed Zachery.  And they developed a strong program.
from 1988 to 1996 at the time of the game, the Buffs were ranked in the top 20, Huskers ranked in the top 10.  Buffs were ranked in the top 10 six times.  Won two games back to back followed by the tie.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: rolltidefan on June 26, 2018, 01:10:43 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2018, 05:22:41 PM
My analysis, potential annual OOC rivalries for each B1G school:



Penn State:
This one is obvious, Pittsburgh.  OTOH, I can understand why a lot of Penn State fans might not want Pittsburgh as an annual rival.  It might be bad for business generally to treat Pittsburgh as an equal.  If not Pitt though, it would be between Syracuse and West Virginia and those don't seem any better.  


i'd be ok if you penciled in bama for psu. we had a decade of h/h games back in 80's, and a quick h/h a few years back. i think most bama/psu fans would be up for an almost annual matchup between them. there's no geographical ties nor any historical conference ties, but we do have history together.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2018, 01:33:28 PM
Bama and Wisconsin should play home and home. Make some history.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 01:54:17 PM
too far north
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 26, 2018, 06:17:03 PM
Quote from: TyphonInc on June 26, 2018, 01:22:07 AM
OSU:
My top priority is having a National Marquee Game every year (H-A.) 2nd priority, I also really like having an Ohio Team on the schedule (H.) For that 3rd OOC I'd prefer it to NOT be another "payday" game against a G5 opponent. If it could be a 2 for 1 with a lower P5 opponent.
That sounds like my template for making Non-Conference schedules on the XBox. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 26, 2018, 06:19:51 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 26, 2018, 08:58:30 AM

  • Boston College in Montreal
  • Syracuse in Toronto
  • Washington in Vancouver

I don't think an NCAA FB game would get very much traction in Canadia, but like the outside of the box thinkin' 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 26, 2018, 06:36:29 PM

I am also a little bummed that OSU could be losing Nebraska as their fixed crossover. 

While obviously not a nonCon game, it was a pretty awesome extra-Divisional game to have on the annual. 

Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 08:03:00 PM
as a previous tOSU fan I love the idea of Bucks/Huskers

but, much more history with PSU.... and if yer Frost, why knock heads with the biggest Gorilla in the cage every season

had that with the Sooners for more than a few decades

can always meet in Indy if both teams are elite
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 08:03:41 PM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 26, 2018, 06:19:51 PM
I don't think an NCAA FB game would get very much traction in Canadia, but like the outside of the box thinkin'
the Big 12 could benefit from the Horns playing in Mexico City
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2018, 08:48:16 PM
Montreal.. Great city. Great destination. Food..
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 26, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 08:03:00 PM
as a previous tOSU fan I love the idea of Bucks/Huskers

but, much more history with PSU.... and if yer Frost, why knock heads with the biggest Gorilla in the cage every season

had that with the Sooners for more than a few decades

can always meet in Indy if both teams are elite
Yeah, I can live with losing Nebraska to Penn State, I suppose. 
If instead Big Blue winds up getting to play both Notre Dame and Nebraska every year... well that would just be infuriating. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: LittlePig on June 26, 2018, 10:34:46 PM
Maybe they should just revive the idea of the Big Ten-PAC scheduling alliance

OHIO ST-USC
PSU-oregon
Mich-Wash
Indy-Utah
MSU-Ariz St.

Pur-Ore. ST
Wisc-UCLA
Iowa-Arizona
Neb-Colorado
Minn-WSU
NW-Stanford
ILL-Cal
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 10:50:25 PM
I could live with that
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: GopherRock on June 26, 2018, 11:34:56 PM
I mis-spoke. I thought that at the time Nebraska joined the league, MN was the most-played OOC series for Nebraska.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: GopherRock on June 26, 2018, 11:37:12 PM
As for Nebraska-Colorado, my memories of that series in the 90s was that CU would somehow lose to Nebraska in every way that is conceivable to lose a football game, and all the built-up karma were cashed in on T+1 2001.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 27, 2018, 07:18:25 AM
I guess that the Illini-Mizzou rivalry looks a lot better from the Illinois perspective. 

Missouri is in the same boat as Nebraska, having a lot more history with the Big 8 teams than with anyone else.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2018, 07:26:42 AM
Quote from: FearlessF on June 26, 2018, 10:50:25 PM
I could live with that
Not me. UCLA?
No. Let someone else have that.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2018, 07:36:58 AM
Quote from: GopherRock on June 26, 2018, 11:34:56 PM
I mis-spoke. I thought that at the time Nebraska joined the league, MN was the most-played OOC series for Nebraska.
I always thought that was the case too.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: MarqHusker on June 27, 2018, 08:09:11 AM
Yes, it isn't even close (as my post indicated).   They've played more times in OOC than Nebraska and Oklahoma St. have played all-time despite being in the same conference for 50 years.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 10:47:14 AM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 26, 2018, 06:19:51 PM
I don't think an NCAA FB game would get very much traction in Canadia, but like the outside of the box thinkin'
Well, as @847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) said, Montreal is a great destination.  Ohio State fans are known for travelling REALLY well so Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver would benefit from the tourism while the NCAA would benefit from the new potential viewers and I *THINK* that the teams playing in Montreal/Toronto/Vancouver could play an extra game that year because I think that the NCAA exempts one game played outside the continental US.  
Assuming that my understanding of the extra game rule is correct, if I were the AD at Ohio State I would try to book these series:

For reference:
Montreal is about a five hour drive from Boston College and about 11 hours from Columbus.  Thus it would be an easy day's drive for most BC fans/students and a long drive or short flight for most Ohio State fans/students.  

Toronto is about a four hour drive from Syracuse and about seven hours from Columbus.  It is a beautiful trip for either passing through Niagara Falls on the way.  It would be an easy day's drive for most Syracuse students/fans and a longish drive or very short flight for most Ohio State fans/students.  

Vancouver is about a two-and-a-half hour drive from Washington's campus in Seattle and about a 38 hour drive from Columbus.  It would obviously require flying for most Ohio State fans/students but it would be an easy drive for most Washington fans/students.  

If the Buckeyes could get those scheduled (and assuming that my understanding of the extra game rule is correct) then over a six year cycle here is how I would schedule Ohio State's OOC games:

Year One:
Year Two:
Year Three:
Year Four:
Year Five:
Year Six:

Each year the Buckeyes would have two OOC home games.  In the odd years (1, 3, 5) they would be a Marquee game and BC/Washington/Cuse.  In the even years (2, 4, 6) they would be BC/Washington/Cuse and a payday game.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 12:13:17 PM
FWIW:
I really liked MSU's 2-for-1 deal with Boise St (http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102910aak.html).  I liked the idea and the structure.  MSU got home games in 2012 and 2023 while Boise St. got a home game in 2022.  I'd love to see Ohio State look for deals like that with teams like Boise that are high-end non-P5 or with low-end P5 teams.  It would improve the home schedule because Boise would obviously be a much more desirable ticket than Kent/Akron.  If you think of a six year cycle using deals like this you could have:
Year 1:
Year 2:
Year 3:
Year 4:
Year 5:
Year 6:
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2018, 12:58:19 PM
The problem with "high-end" non-P5 is that there are no guarantees.

UW is in a bad one last year and this year, with BYU. When that was scheduled, it looked good. Not so much now.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 27, 2018, 02:01:50 PM
I would dig a series with BYU, even if they weren't very good when the games happened. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) :
BYU's collapse really torpedoed UW's SoS last year but I would like to not a couple of things:

First, I was advocating that tOSU schedule games like that IN ADDITION TO, not in place of the high-end marquee P5 H&H series.  Wisconsin's other two OOC opponents were Utah State and FAU so BYU was the "marquee" OOC opponent.  If the other two had included Alabama then it wouldn't have been a problem.  Ya know, now that I think about it, why doesn't Wisconsin schedule a H&H with Bama.  That seems pretty simple, no?  

Second, Wisconsin scheduled that BYU game as 1/2 of a H&H (http://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=55066593&itype=CMSID) rather than 1/3 of a 2-for-1 deal like MSU's with Boise.  Deals like MSU's with Boise make a lot more sense for a P5 team than a simple H&H with a school that could suck by the time the games happen.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: TyphonInc on June 27, 2018, 03:21:19 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 26, 2018, 08:58:30 AM
I agree 100% on the top priority.  I'm also fine with the idea of the "payday" game being against an in-state opponent.  
I really like the idea of doing 2 for 1 deals with lower P5's and I would include high-end non P5 teams in that discussion.  Ie, I thought MSU's 2 for 1 deal with Boise made a lot of sense.  I could also go for a H-A-N three game series with a quality opponent.  
I agree that Kentucky or Louisville with some perhaps played in Cincy would be great, but not as an every-year thing.  I'd like that as an occasional or one-off thing.  
I have less than zero interest in anything that approaches treating UC as an equal.  That would be bad for long-term business and I would be adamantly opposed.  
If you really wanted to get creative I'd be interested in some foreign neutral site games (perhaps as part of H-A-N or mixed 2 for 1/HAN deals):
  • Boston College in Montreal
  • Syracuse in Toronto
  • Washington in Vancouver

To clarify, Cincinnati was only if they gained P5 status. And the Cincinnati, Louisville, Kentucky would be a 1 shot (H-A or H-A-N), not an ongoing series.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: MarqHusker on June 27, 2018, 03:23:26 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 02:38:16 PM
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) :
BYU's collapse really torpedoed UW's SoS last year but I would like to not a couple of things:

If the other two had included Alabama then it wouldn't have been a problem.  Ya know, now that I think about it, why doesn't Wisconsin schedule a H&H with Bama.  That seems pretty simple, no?  

Are you trolling Badge, or haven't you read his posts before?  ;)
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 03:32:26 PM
@MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) :
For some reason the "quote" feature isn't working for me right now but yeah, that was 100% trolling.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: rolltidefan on June 27, 2018, 03:48:38 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 26, 2018, 01:33:28 PM
Bama and Wisconsin should play home and home. Make some history.
if it was up to me, we'd have a lot of games like those. maybe we can play in ttown/madison someday.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 03:32:26 PM
@MarqHusker (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=41) :
For some reason the "quote" feature isn't working for me right now but yeah, that was 100% trolling.  
Quote function.. Open in a new tab and it should work. That's what I have to do sometimes.
Maybe @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) knows the fix?
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Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 04:05:07 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2018, 03:49:43 PM
Quote function.. Open in a new tab and it should work. That's what I have to do sometimes.
Maybe @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) knows the fix?
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Thank you.  It works fine in a new tab.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 04:36:43 PM
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5) 
Sorry for the troll, I figured that you would see that I was joking.  I think you did . . .
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 27, 2018, 04:37:42 PM
Looks loke amazon is using a new advert below posts and ot is taking up the javascript placement where the quote function exists... I'll figure it out.  In tje meantime, it works on the full reply board where you scroll down to see previous posts.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 27, 2018, 05:22:52 PM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 04:36:43 PM
@847badgerfan (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=5)
Sorry for the troll, I figured that you would see that I was joking.  I think you did . . .
But of course!
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 27, 2018, 05:32:38 PM
Quote from: TyphonInc on June 27, 2018, 03:21:19 PM
To clarify, Cincinnati was only if they gained P5 status. And the Cincinnati, Louisville, Kentucky would be a 1 shot (H-A or H-A-N), not an ongoing series.
Ok, I'm in almost 100% agreement then.  I'd like to at least try for 2-for-1 or H-A-N-H with schools like UC, Louisville, Kentucky.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 27, 2018, 06:01:33 PM
Even last year's down BYU would probably be a better opponent than a gawdawful G5 like OSU3. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Hawkinole on June 28, 2018, 01:05:21 AM
If it were up to me a few of the Canadian universities would be invited to play American football and field a D-1 team. And, I'd invite at least one Mexican university, although I am less familiar with their athletic and university facilities. This should be a North American sport.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 28, 2018, 08:18:32 AM
Have any of you fellas ever actually watched Canadian CFB? 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 28, 2018, 09:24:47 AM
Here's their NCG highlights from last year. 

Mt Union would crush these guys. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1bnfS6otU0
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Entropy on June 28, 2018, 10:42:57 AM
OOC team I'd like to see UNL play annually... Mizzouri.  UNL needs to own the state in recruiting and the close proximity to Nebraska would make it a game UNL fans would attend in mass.  If it could not be Mizzouri than I'd Colorado.   While I miss the days of OU/UNL, I also know OU was part of the votes to split the 12 into the north/south and not maintain the rivalry.   I'd rather play more old BIG8 schools that were important to the fans as well has help in recruiting. 

For a cross over game within the conference, I think most UNL fans would say PSU.   I'd also guess that MSU would have more votes than most people expect.   But PSU would be the winner.   I think both fan bases would like that annual game in late Sept.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: ELA on June 28, 2018, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on June 28, 2018, 09:24:47 AM
Here's their NCG highlights from last year.

Mt Union would crush these guys.


I knew a guy at MSU who was a HS football star in Canada.  Could have played at any of the major programs up there he wanted.  He couldn't even get a walk on spot at MSU, and that was when MSU was awful (like 03-05ish)
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: MarqHusker on June 28, 2018, 02:51:51 PM
The best Canadian product I remember at Nebraska was IB  Dahrran Diedrick.  He was the first to get a schollie.   He led the XII in rushing one season in '01 I believe.     He had a cup of coffee in the NFL, but later played for awhile in the CFL.   I believe he's still alive, though he has a rare type of lymphoma.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Drew4UTk on June 28, 2018, 08:08:46 PM
the quote function ought to be fixed now.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on June 28, 2018, 10:34:52 PM
Quote from: ELA on June 28, 2018, 10:55:43 AM
I knew a guy at MSU who was a HS football star in Canada.  Could have played at any of the major programs up there he wanted.  He couldn't even get a walk on spot at MSU, and that was when MSU was awful (like 03-05ish)
Not only are the top Canadian teams rather mediocre, the drop off after the top four or five teams is absolutely astonishing. 
On top of that, I'd imagine that the gap between Canadian CFB and whoever is the third best CFB country (Mexico?) is even more vast than the gap between the USA and Canada. 
I was aware that Mexico had CFB, but I've never ventured that far down the rabbit hole. Although you'd probably have to have a pretty good command of the Spanish language in order to track down a live stream somewhere. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Hawkinole on June 29, 2018, 01:42:13 AM
I would like to see the Iowa State game reduced to once every two or three years to be replaced by Iowa's traditional OOC rival Notre Dame, and if Iowa State were every 3-years, a military academy.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 29, 2018, 11:30:17 AM
Quote from: Hawkinole on June 29, 2018, 01:42:13 AM
I would like to see the Iowa State game reduced to once every two or three years to be replaced by Iowa's traditional OOC rival Notre Dame, and if Iowa State were every 3-years, a military academy.
I think it is a reach to refer to Notre Dame as "Iowa's traditional OOC rival".  The two schools have played 24 times, 20 since the last year of WWII and not since 1968.  Additionally, while Iowa won the first three meetings ('21, 39, 40) since then the Hawkeyes are just 5-13-3.  Iowa's five wins over the Irish came in a six year 5-1 run from 1956-1961.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: 847badgerfan on June 29, 2018, 11:51:36 AM
It might be traditional for a man who actually witnessed the games and experienced the rivalry.

~???
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on June 29, 2018, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 29, 2018, 11:51:36 AM
It might be traditional for a man who actually witnessed the games and experienced the rivalry.

~???
Quote works again, thank you @Drew4UTk (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1) .  
That is a pretty small percentage of fans.  The last Iowa/ND game was 50 years ago, in 1968.  You would have to be at least 60 to have even a vague memory of the last of the Iowa/ND games and well over that to remember more than the last few games.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: ELA on June 29, 2018, 04:17:27 PM
Quote from: MarqHusker on June 28, 2018, 02:51:51 PM
The best Canadian product I remember at Nebraska was IB  Dahrran Diedrick.  He was the first to get a schollie.   He led the XII in rushing one season in '01 I believe.     He had a cup of coffee in the NFL, but later played for awhile in the CFL.   I believe he's still alive, though he has a rare type of lymphoma.
Tony Mandarich is obviously the best from MSU, although technically he came to the US for his last couple years of HS IIRC.
Since then, Tim Biakabatuka at Michigan and Jesse Palmer at Florida are the top two I can remember.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on July 06, 2018, 11:38:27 AM
Quote from: ELA on June 29, 2018, 04:17:27 PM
Tony Mandarich is obviously the best from MSU, although technically he came to the US for his last couple years of HS IIRC.
Since then, Tim Biakabatuka at Michigan and Jesse Palmer at Florida are the top two I can remember.
I think the key thing to note with those guys is that all three of them went to college in the US.  Are there examples of NFL draftees coming from Canadian colleges?
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: ELA on July 06, 2018, 11:44:51 AM
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on July 06, 2018, 11:38:27 AM
I think the key thing to note with those guys is that all three of them went to college in the US.  Are there examples of NFL draftees coming from Canadian colleges?
That Chiefs offensive lineman who finished Med School and was just denied by the NFL the ability to add M.D. to his uniform was.  I think he went to McGill?
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 07, 2018, 11:13:59 AM
Most of the top Canadian FB players go to college in the USA. They do so because the Canadian schools don't offer athletic scholarships (hence the reason their Ice Hockey sucks), and because they get better training. 

The CFL has an "import rule" that requires each CFL team to fill up half of their roster with Canadian players, and a certain number of Canadian players have to be on the field for every play. The top Canadian players in that league tend to be from the NCAA, but there are a lot from Canadian Colleges as well. 

Really there's not enough Canadian talent to go around, so the team that can amass the most Canadian talent has a huge advantage. You could have the top NFL rejects available, but if you are neglecting the Canadian half of the roster then you aren't going to get very far in that league. 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: medinabuckeye1 on July 09, 2018, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 07, 2018, 11:13:59 AM
Most of the top Canadian FB players go to college in the USA. They do so because the Canadian schools don't offer athletic scholarships (hence the reason their Ice Hockey sucks), and because they get better training.

The CFL has an "import rule" that requires each CFL team to fill up half of their roster with Canadian players, and a certain number of Canadian players have to be on the field for every play. The top Canadian players in that league tend to be from the NCAA, but there are a lot from Canadian Colleges as well.

Really there's not enough Canadian talent to go around, so the team that can amass the most Canadian talent has a huge advantage. You could have the top NFL rejects available, but if you are neglecting the Canadian half of the roster then you aren't going to get very far in that league.
This reminds me of most co-ed sports that I have ever witnessed or participated in.  Typically there is a rule that you have to have at least # of women on the team and at least # of women on the court/field.  From what I have seen the athletic variation among the guys usually isn't nearly as extreme as the variation among the women.  Consequently, the team with the best female athletes basically always wins.  
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: ELA on July 09, 2018, 03:54:20 PM
The rules when I played at MSU for co-ed football were relaxed about number of females on the field, I think only like 2 of 7 or something.  But there was no running, and all completed passes had to be at least 5 yards down the field.  But you had to have two passes completed that involved a female to get a first down.  Trying to get 50 yards in 4 plays was tough, so the good teams had the best females, because they had a decent shot of picking up first downs.  BUt the BEST teams had female quarterbacks.  You couldn't possibly cover all 6 receivers for 3 out of 4 plays, and they would just dink and dunk you down the field, picking up a first down every other play.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: MrNubbz on July 09, 2018, 04:20:33 PM
Damn girls smacking around ELAs team,makes you wish you could throw like one
Quote from: ELA on July 09, 2018, 03:54:20 PM
 BUt the BEST teams had female quarterbacks. 
Damn fems smacking around ELAs team,makes you wish you could throw like a girl
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on July 09, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
I like the female QBs in the Lingerie bowl
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 09, 2018, 05:00:35 PM
Quote from: FearlessF on July 09, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
I like the female QBs in the Lingerie bowl
Looks like it's gonna be the Yoga Pants Bowl this year.  :'(
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dg-xjJ5UcAARiC1.jpg)
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on July 09, 2018, 05:30:22 PM
I was able to resist the strong urge to post pics
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 09, 2018, 06:21:04 PM
I'm just impressed that they can find so many decent looking women that play football. 

If you went to a Columbus Comets game and you didn't know what it was, there is a pretty good chance that it might not ever occur to you that they were women. 

If you did manage to figure out that a kicker or whatever was a woman, you would most likely be under the assumption that it was a co-ed team. 

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Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 09, 2018, 06:32:02 PM
Most people don't watch (or play) football because of how attractive the players are. Just saying.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: Brutus Buckeye on July 09, 2018, 06:46:09 PM
Anyway, what was the thread topic again? 
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: SFBadger96 on July 09, 2018, 07:16:33 PM
I'm sure it had something to do with how we can improve the quality of out-of-conference games so that more teams have a slate of Arizona State, Michigan State, and Washington State (or the like) for their OOC games--like '95 Nebraska (ok Pacific was in there, too, but I'll take it in exchange for the other three).

And how we should want Purdue/MSU/Michigan vs. Notre Dame as annual things again.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on July 09, 2018, 10:51:22 PM
And how we should want Kansas/KSU/Mizzou vs. Nebraska as annual things again.
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: MrNubbz on July 10, 2018, 07:49:11 AM
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on July 09, 2018, 05:00:35 PM
Looks like it's gonna be the Yoga Pants Bowl this year.  :'(
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dg-xjJ5UcAARiC1.jpg)
Gotta go with the split zone/man on  here
Title: Re: Most Common post-WWII non-B1G opponents for each B1G team
Post by: FearlessF on July 10, 2018, 08:51:34 AM
right guard/tackle seems to be run blocking - lotta weight on the knuckles

perhaps the left guard/tackle is going to pull and follow to the right side - not much weight on the finger tips