Michigan State 2018 Season Thread

[DevilFroggy]

That absolutely sucks about Scott, and that injury especially doesn't bode well for Sparty's matchup in Tempe as by far the best player on ASU is WR N'Keal Harry, he may in fact be the best WR MSU sees all season. 

[ELA]

That absolutely sucks about Scott, and that injury especially doesn't bode well for Sparty's matchup in Tempe as by far the best player on ASU is WR N'Keal Harry, he may in fact be the best WR MSU sees all season.

Already hated that game, really really nervous now

[Anonymous Coward]

Oof - That's a tough week. The news about Scott is the biggest as he's the most talented corner (by far?) and the unit is still shallow. He would be a big loss for any games, but I still wouldn't expect them to lose to Arizona State, IU, or Northwestern. Two of those are away games, though (@ASU, @IU) and the Big Ten has a bad history of PAC games played on the west coast, so I may be underestimating. 

Still, I think they'll come out unscathed. To me, the bigger concern is whether 2 months is enough recovery time for JS to return at or above his playing level from 2017.

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm surprised this didn't make more noise when the Reschke reinstatement happened. That's a former Maryland linebacker going out of his way to allege MSU's offensive line was infamous for using the same epithet. 
Oof.


https://mobile.twitter.com/jerma1necarter/status/1021850405964316672

[ELA]

Generally unverifiable accusations don't.  When Taylor Lewan was accused of the same, even with his reputation, it got zero traction also.

[Anonymous Coward]

The outrage against Lewan kept landing and this accusation definitely added to our embarrassment. My point was that this accusation from Carter, even if not falsifiable, is still credible and raises a fair question of culture ("would fit a pattern"). And yet it never landed.

[ELA]

The outrage against Lewan kept landing and this accusation definitely added to our embarrassment. My point was that this accusation from Carter, even if not falsifiable, is still credible and raises a fair question of culture ("would fit a pattern"). And yet it never landed.

Probably because not one other player, teammate or otherwise, supported his take.  Ask Brandon Phillips how that goes.

[Anonymous Coward]

I didn't see the article where reporters asked other Maryland players and they all said "The MSU OL(?), oh no, definitely not." 

My understanding was that this received neither shock nor follow-up.

[ELA]

I didn't see the article where reporters asked other Maryland players and they all said "The MSU OL(?), oh no, definitely not."

My understanding was that this received neither shock nor follow-up.

They all follow each other, and not a single teammate or fellow MSU opponent touched it.
And you don't know who asked who what.  It was very known when he did it.  If you ask around, and nobody else is willing to corroborate, what's the story?  Are you simply mad that some journalists didn't just decide to regurgitate the same tweet to a wider audience?

[Anonymous Coward]

(1) Only one guy volunteered it. I never avoided the possibility that he's incorrect. But I'm unaware of any bad blood with Carter to infer an ulterior motive. Likelier: he either misheard or is correct. The comment is credible.

(2) Mad? A potential for an ugly cultural pattern at a P5 school arises in the middle of multiple scandals across multiple sports and isn't pushed. There's no need for an attitude about that. It's "flatly surprising," full stop.

(3) You can't say "Dave, you don't know who asked who what..." and then two sentences later imply that after they asked around, there was no story. We don't know whether *anyone* bothered to ask around. Not all stories become published as stories.

[ELA]

(1) Only one guy volunteered it. I never avoided the possibility that he's incorrect. But I'm unaware of any bad blood with Carter to infer an ulterior motive. Likelier: he either misheard or is correct. The comment is credible.

(2) Mad? A potential for an ugly cultural pattern at a P5 school arises in the middle of multiple scandals across multiple sports and isn't pushed. There's no need for an attitude about that. It's "flatly surprising," full stop.

(3) You can't say "Dave, you don't know who asked who what..." and then two sentences later imply that after they asked around, there was no story. We don't know whether *anyone* bothered to ask around. Not all stories become published as stories.

I'm not saying he did or didn't hear it.  I'm saying one guy making an accusation, and exactly zero of the hundreds of others who would have heard the same if they were "famous" for something corroborating it is generally not a story.  These things become stories, absent actual evidence, when you have multiple reports.  The fact that anyone would want otherwise is terrifying to me.
Amd no, I don't know if there was follow up.  I do know that it was a known Tweet at the time.  I do know that ESPN is posted up in East Lansing enough to break their own internal "journalism" rules to identify a walk on accused, and ultimately not charged, with grabbing a girl's butt, and yet they just decided to do nothing with this?  That would shock me.

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm saying maybe. Because the reasonable interpretation you miss is that perhaps only one guy (Carter) was willing to volunteer this detail but others may have joined if either (1) asked directly [willing to answer by name but not volunteer] or (2) offered anonymity [willing to corroborate but neither volunteer nor publish their name].
And we don't know in any event if anyone was asked by a diligent reporter.

[ELA]

I'm saying maybe. Because the reasonable interpretation you miss is that perhaps only one guy (Carter) was willing to volunteer this detail but others may have joined if either (1) asked directly [willing to answer by name but not volunteer] or (2) offered anonymity [willing to corroborate but neither volunteer nor publish their name].
And we don't know in any event if anyone was asked by a diligent reporter.

No, I don't know.  But like I said, ESPN is entrenched, and already proven to violate their own rules to keep their story alive, and the Tweet was known.  Based on their behavior it would be more surprising for them not to follow up.
I would find it equally surprising that not one single other player, out of the hundreds that would have been on the receving end if they were famous for it, would put their name on it.  Not even to like his Tweet.  Humorously, but not unsurprisingly, about 90% of the people that did like his Tweet, have UM fan in their Twitter bio.
We're you just as mad that nobody dug into Jabrill Peppers was running around giving everyone in Ann Arbor chlamydia?  Or did you write that off as one uncorroborated, unprovable account?

[ELA]

They discovered true freshman LB Chase Kline has been playing with a torn labrum for over a year and will have surgery and miss the season.  He was going to redshirt anyway, but it sucks that it wasn't discovered until now and he won't get his practice reps.