Michigan 2017 Season Thread

[ELA]

Heh didn't realize the last post in the thread was about him

[HailHailMSP]

I haven't seen it shared here, but I know some will love this if they haven't found it yet.

Jack and Jim Harbaugh do a weekly podcast. It has very little to do with Michigan football and more about storytelling. Bo stories, Gerald Ford stories, rivalry stories from all of their coaching and playing stops, and great guests that come on. It really is good listening for all college football fans if you are looking for something while you are driving, on a treadmill, or in the office at work. 

https://www.podcastone.com/attack-each-day-the-harbaugh-podcast

[ELA]

I've never heard of him, so I can't imagine it's a huge deal


Adam Rittenberg
ESPN Staff Writer
Michigan's Nate Johnson, a cornerback who played wide receiver last season, has been suspended from all team activities.

Dismissed

[847badgerfan]

Dismissed

Meritocracy. 

[ELA]

Meritocracy.

He certainly isn't as good as Grant Perry

[847badgerfan]

I just like typing that word. I have to imagine the kid did something very wrong to get dismissed in the season.

[ELA]

I just like typing that word. I have to imagine the kid did something very wrong to get dismissed in the season.

He was charged with assault.
He had to do something wrong, and not be a starter.  Thus, gone.

[847badgerfan]

He was charged with assault.
He had to do something wrong, and not be a starter.  Thus, gone.

Actually charged? I hadn't read that, but I was reading that it was the case and that it was a female victim.

[ELA]

Actually charged? I hadn't read that, but I was reading that it was the case and that it was a female victim.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2017/10/02/michigan-football-nate-johnson-suspension/724544001/

[HailHailMSP]

In the words of Hawk Harrelson,"He Gone." The facts in this one must be pretty clear from the get go that they are dismissing the kid so quickly. 

[Mdot21]

He certainly isn't as good as Grant Perry

you're right. He's probably going to wind up being a better player if he ever sees the field at his next stop. And I'm guessing that he will get a second chance. Unless it's just a horrific case. But I don't think it'll wind up being that bad. Nate Johnson was offered by a lot of major schools. Notre Dame, Tennessee, Louisville, Penn State, Miami, Virginia Tech, South Carolina.

Grant Perry was not. Perry was basically a 2* with nothing but MAC offers. This idea that you have that he's really good at football and that's why he was allowed to stay on- absolute crazy talk. Grant Perry is mediocre at football. At best. There is nothing great about him or his game. He's maybe 5'11, 190 max and he runs 4.6 on his very best day. There is nothing special about him. At all. He has mediocre hands, he's a mediocre route runner, he's got mediocre size, and he's a mediocre athlete. He caught 14 passes as a freshman, 13 as a sophomore, and now 13 in his junior season and he's averaging a whopping 12 yards a catch this season. It's not like he's produced a lot on the field and it's not like he's this super talented player. He's not and he's not. If you're talking pure talent- he is easily the least talented WR on that roster.

Their situations are probably a lot different-we don't know the full details of what happened with Nate Jonhson- but it must've been pretty serious which is why he was kicked off the team.

Grant Perry is not talented. He's not even good. He's just a guy. I was actually hoping he'd get booted so the coaches wouldn't be so pig headed and were forced to give his minutes and reps to better players like Eddie McDoom and Oliver Martin. If all Harbaugh cared about was keeping talented players around he'd have let LTT stick around. Have you seen Michigan's freaking tackles this year? Logan Tulley Tillman was a guaranteed starter and the best tackle Harbaugh had on his roster and he booted him. LTT started all 12 games for Akron last year at LT and is a starter for UTEP at LT this year and he'll probably get drafted late if some team decides to take a flier on him and I think they will considering his size/athletic combo.

[CatsbyAZ]

This is the first week I've heard doubts and disappointments about Harbaugh shower down from Michigan fans. Harbaugh's W/L record has been sized up against Hoke's. His 1-4 record against rivals MSU & OSU has brought comparison's to Lloyd Carr. I like the Lloyd comparison so far because he was a master at blowing out the Indianas and Minnesotas only to get rolled in the higher pressure games. Plenty blame the hemorrhages taking snap at QB, but I wonder how much of the incline towards impotent offenses in big games goes back to Harbaugh's days in the NFL. It's noticeable too with other college coaches bringing back NFL experience, such as Jim Mora Jr putting his tail between his legs on offense, not realizing that in college you can gameplan for getting away with a lot more risks than you can in the NFL.

With all that said, Michigan wins 2 of 3 vs Penn State, Ohio State, and Wisconsin. I'll go further and mark the two wins as Vs Ohio State and @ Wisconsin.

[Mdot21]

This is the first week I've heard doubts and disappointments about Harbaugh shower down from Michigan fans. Harbaugh's W/L record has been sized up against Hoke's. His 1-4 record against rivals MSU & OSU has brought comparison's to Lloyd Carr. I like the Lloyd comparison so far because he was a master at blowing out the Indianas and Minnesotas only to get rolled in the higher pressure games. Plenty blame the hemorrhages taking snap at QB, but I wonder how much of the incline towards impotent offenses in big games goes back to Harbaugh's days in the NFL. It's noticeable too with other college coaches bringing back NFL experience, such as Jim Mora Jr putting his tail between his legs on offense, not realizing that in college you can gameplan for getting away with a lot more risks than you can in the NFL.

With all that said, Michigan wins 2 of 3 vs Penn State, Ohio State, and Wisconsin. I'll go further and mark the two wins as Vs Ohio State and @ Wisconsin.

Uh...what? I haven't really seen any Michigan fans calling for Harbaugh's head.

Carr didn't get the nickname LLLLoyd for nothin'. Carr lost more than his fair share of games he had absolutely no business losing. App State says HI! He pretty much never had trouble with MSU and he absolutely owned OSU until Tressel arrived in 2001. Carr took over Michigan in '95. He took over a team with a loaded OL and an incredible RB in Tim Biakabatuka- and he still managed to lose 4 games. Biakabatuka was probably the best RB that has ever touched a football at Michigan.

Shit- Carr dropped 3 games in 2000 with a starting QB like Drew Henson, a starting RB like Anthony Thomas, WR's like David Terrell and Marquise Walker, and an offensive line that consisted of 4 guys that were drafted by the NFL- two of them in the 1st round in Jeff Backus and Steve Hutchinson. And none of these guys were young. They were all upperclassmen playing together in their prime.  

Henson would've been the #1 pick in the NFL draft had he not quit football to sign a long-term deal with the New York Yankees. Anthony Thomas was the #1 HS RB recruit in his class back in '97- basically a 5* before there were recruit rankings- he started at Michigan for 4 years set every school rushing record known to man was drafted in the 2nd round and was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year. 

David  Terrell was a top 10 NFL draft pick, Marquise Walker was a 3rd round draft pick. LT Jeff Backus was a 1st round pick and LG Steve Hutchinson was a 1st round pick as well and he'll probably be in the NFL Hall of Fame one day. Oh yeah- not to mention their starting RT Maurice Williams was drafted in the 2nd round and their starting RG Jonathan Goodwin was drafted in the 5th round. 4/5 = 80%. 80% of their OL drafted by the NFL. 3/5 = 60%. 60% in the first 2 rounds. That's insane. Has Michigan even had an OL drafted in the 3 yrs that Harbaugh has been there? I think only Glasgow- who was a walk-on.

When Harbaugh builds a starting offense with a roster like that and still manages to lose 3-4 games every year- then fans will start calling for his head.
LC had sick talent like that basically from day 1 pretty much year in year out and he still managed to lose a shit ton of games he shouldn't have.

[Mdot21]

Lot of things about this coaching staff just don't add up. 

Why is Tim Drevno, who has never been an OC in his life being paid $1 million a year? That is insane. His entire career he's been known as a very good OL coach. Nobody is going to hire him away and pay him $1 million to coach their OL. Seems to me like Harbaugh hooking up a friend of his. 

Pep Hamilton, who was an NFL OC, and got fired- is the "passing game co-ordinator" and is being paid $1 million a year. Does he really need to be paid that? Seems a little ridiculous. So they are paying $2 million a year for this shit show of an offense. Makes a lot of sense. Not. Michigan has the money- hell I say spend $2 million a year if you can get Josh McDaniels to come co-ordinate your offense. But just wasting $2 million on guys that aren't worth the money? Complete insanity. 

They don't have a WR's coach either. And it shows. Michigan used to develop WR's like nobodies business from the early 90s all the way to end of Carr's reign. Might want to hire a full-time WR coach. They've got a ton of raw talent at the position. Eddie McDoom, Dylan Crawford, DPJ, and Tarik Black are all about as talented as it gets. I understand Black is hurt and he'll be back, but those other 3 guys- they have enormous talent and aren't living up to that talent. They aren't being developed. Kind of sad when you have to rely on Grant Perry who is as mediocre as it gets to be your go to wide receiver. 

I think Harbaugh is in the same place Franklin was a couple years back when he had to rehaul his offensive coaching staff and went out and got Moorehead. This off-season is going to be absolutely pivotal to Harbaugh's future at Michigan. If he doesn't make that sort of sweeping change, not sure he'll last the long haul.