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Topic: #2 Michigan (9-0, 13-0) vs #16 Iowa (7-2, 10-3) Post Game

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Hawkinole

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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #84 on: November 27, 2023, 07:34:36 PM »
Good point. An Iowa win could be a problem for Michigan getting in the playoff. They didn't play a P-5 nonconference school whereas Ohio State (Notre Dame) and Texas did.

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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #85 on: November 27, 2023, 07:48:22 PM »
hah, Iowa upsets Michigan and Michigan has NO chance at the playoff

it won't happen but.......... Nubbz would think it funny as all get out

Medina would think it karma
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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #86 on: November 27, 2023, 11:20:47 PM »
May be an image of 2 people, phone and text that says 'lowa Chill CHILL Michigan scouts this week MV Punt'
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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #87 on: November 28, 2023, 01:00:23 AM »
Fearless, did you watch the documentary on Nile Kinnick on IPTV, tonight? I was impressed how he immersed himself as a boy into football and basketball. His dad played for Iowa State. He grew up mostly in Adel. The family moved from Adel to Nebraska his senior year in high school. He was 1st team all-state his junior year in football and basketball in Iowa. He was 1st team all-state in Nebraska in both sports his senior year.
His 1st cousin who his over 90 told many stories about the family. As a kid Nile learned a lot about football from his dad. Kicking was one area he learned.  Nile, who was right-handed, learned to throw left-handed, too. That way when he rolled out left on a passing play he could throw with this left arm.
I knew he was a great punter. I didn't know he punted 16 times in the 1939 Notre Dame game. Hawkeye history has gone full circle. Kinnick's last punt of the Notre Dame game was a 67-yard punt to pin Notre Dame deep for its final series in a 7-6 Iowa win. Kinnick successfully made a drop kick extra point after his famous score from the 2-yard line against Notre Dame. When Notre Dame scored a TD their kicker missed the extra point from a place kick.
I knew Kinnick was a drop kicker. I did not know drop kicking by 1939 was obsolete. I am reading hx on football shapes, and by 1935 the football we know today was introduced, and there have been no remarkable substantive changes. By 1935 the drop kick became obsolete.
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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #88 on: November 28, 2023, 02:50:41 AM »
well, Texas has a win over Bama on the road

biggest card in the deck!
The head-to-head trump card is only if all else is equal.
If Bama beats Georgia, everything isn't equal.
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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #89 on: November 28, 2023, 08:37:21 AM »
hah, Iowa upsets Michigan and Michigan has NO chance at the playoff

it won't happen but.......... Nubbz would think it funny as all get out

Medina would think it karma
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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #90 on: November 28, 2023, 09:14:18 AM »
The head-to-head trump card is only if all else is equal.
If Bama beats Georgia, everything isn't equal.
 two teams with one loss and conference championships. As crazy as it is wouldn’t they have to go Texas > Bama > Georgia. 

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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #91 on: November 28, 2023, 09:18:03 AM »
If Georgia and Michigan win, feels pretty set. Them, either Oregon or Washington, then FSU if they win. If not then Texas if they win. If both of them lose OSU.

Georgia and Michigan losing are real wildcards and I don't have any feel for what they'll do in that case. 

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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #92 on: November 28, 2023, 09:47:56 AM »
If Georgia and Michigan win, feels pretty set. Them, either Oregon or Washington, then FSU if they win. If not then Texas if they win. If both of them lose OSU.

Georgia and Michigan losing are real wildcards and I don't have any feel for what they'll do in that case.
So assuming that Georgia and Michigan win, they and the P12CG winner are in and your order for the final spot is:
  • FSU if they win, otherwise out.
  • Texas if they win, otherwise out.
  • Ohio State as the backstop because they are done at 11-1.
I'm not sure that Ohio State is the backstop because there is an argument to take 12-1 FSU or Washington ahead of them. The year when MSU beat undefeated Iowa in the B1GCG, their final rankings had 12-1 Iowa ahead of 11-1 Ohio State despite nobody actually thinking the Hawkeyes were a better team. 


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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #93 on: November 28, 2023, 09:51:46 AM »
So assuming that Georgia and Michigan win, they and the P12CG winner are in and your order for the final spot is:
  • FSU if they win, otherwise out.
  • Texas if they win, otherwise out.
  • Ohio State as the backstop because they are done at 11-1.
I'm not sure that Ohio State is the backstop because there is an argument to take 12-1 FSU or Washington ahead of them. The year when MSU beat undefeated Iowa in the B1GCG, their final rankings had 12-1 Iowa ahead of 11-1 Ohio State despite nobody actually thinking the Hawkeyes were a better team.
There is an argument, but at that point you will have the committee determining who is the best/most deserving 1 loss non champ, and OSU has good claims there. FSU is probably in the weakest position, and while I agree that Washington would have a good argument in that they beat a team in the field, the committee has seemed unimpressed by them over the course of the season.

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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #94 on: November 28, 2023, 09:56:15 AM »
There is an argument, but at that point you will have the committee determining who is the best/most deserving 1 loss non champ, and OSU has good claims there. FSU is probably in the weakest position, and while I agree that Washington would have a good argument in that they beat a team in the field, the committee has seemed unimpressed by them over the course of the season.
Completely agree with this. Also Vegas seems to agree with you as well as Washington is a heavy dog. Osu would be more deserving than a 1 loss Washington based on visual and big wins.

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« Reply #95 on: November 28, 2023, 10:08:43 AM »
Completely agree with this. Also Vegas seems to agree with you as well as Washington is a heavy dog. Osu would be more deserving than a 1 loss Washington based on visual and big wins.
Might depend on scores too but you never know what the committee is going to do.  

Their 2015 ranking with 12-1 Iowa ahead of 11-1 Ohio State was pretty clearly based more on "deserve" than "best".  As I see it the arguments would be:
  • Iowa deserves it, they went to their CG.  
  • Ohio State is the better team by all appearances.  

If they lean toward "deserve" rather than "appear" then Ohio State isn't in the discussion, it is between any available 1-loss CG losers.  

If they lean toward appearances then since losing their QB FSU barely beat a sub .500 SEC team and LOST to a 2-loss Louisville.  Similarly, Washington hasn't been impressive all year long.  Ohio State appears much better than those two.  


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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #96 on: November 28, 2023, 10:16:38 AM »
Completely agree with this. Also Vegas seems to agree with you as well as Washington is a heavy dog. Osu would be more deserving than a 1 loss Washington based on visual and big wins.

There are a lot of really intriguing scenarios going into the weekend.

The SEC could be on the outside looking in with a Bama win, as hard as that is to believe.

Michigan out with a loss to Iowa.

The verbal jousting is building regarding an undefeated Fl State being in or out, with their QB situation. Danny Kannell vs. SECESPN

Gundy could send Texas packing to the SEC with an upset. 

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Re: #2 Michigan (12-0, 9-0) VS #17 Iowa (10-2, 7-2) - Indianapolis Edition
« Reply #97 on: November 28, 2023, 10:21:22 AM »
I'm not sure that Ohio State is the backstop because there is an argument to take 12-1 FSU or Washington ahead of them. The year when MSU beat undefeated Iowa in the B1GCG, their final rankings had 12-1 Iowa ahead of 11-1 Ohio State despite nobody actually thinking the Hawkeyes were a better team.
I think that was so that Iowa could go to the Rose Bowl.

The committee did some weird things in that final poll that year.  They also jumped MSU up to #3, because I think everyone thought Alabama was the best team, but they had a loss, and Clemson didn't.  So they moved MSU up to #3, so that they could get the de facto 1-4 game in the 2-3 game

 

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