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utee94

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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #210 on: August 03, 2021, 10:36:32 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2021, 10:32:53 AM
We have enough _______ states already.

ASU is not AAU, and they are about to get hammered by the NCAA.
Nebraska's not AAU either.  Gonna kick them out?
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #211 on: August 03, 2021, 10:37:33 AM »
Nobody in Phoenix gives a crap about the Wildcats. 
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #212 on: August 03, 2021, 11:40:58 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 03, 2021, 10:25:04 AM
Arizona doesn't get you Phoenix, it gets you Tucson.

Big difference.
It gets you the Phoenix TV market. That's what matters here.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #213 on: August 03, 2021, 11:41:24 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on August 03, 2021, 10:36:32 AM
Nebraska's not AAU either.  Gonna kick them out?
They are in the process of becoming AAU again.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #214 on: August 03, 2021, 12:58:51 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 03, 2021, 11:40:58 AM
It gets you the Phoenix TV market. That's what matters here.

Tuscon has a separate media market from Phoenix.  

It would be like adding Cincinnati in order to get the Cleveland market. 




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« Reply #215 on: August 03, 2021, 01:20:27 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 03, 2021, 12:58:51 PM
Tuscon has a separate media market from Phoenix. 

It would be like adding Cincinnati in order to get the Cleveland market.

I know that, but as I understand it, the BTN requires carriage in markets state-wide.

That said, I'd be fine with taking Utah over 'Zona.

They should get hammered by the NCAA too. But will they?
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #216 on: August 03, 2021, 01:48:46 PM »
Quote from: iahawk15 on August 03, 2021, 08:21:58 AM
I disagree. To me, this is about finding the best way to generate more revenue for the conference members without making any short-sighted, reactionary yet permanent decisions.

A scheduling agreement with the PAC does exactly that while biding time on the ACC GOR. If ACC is truly on shakey legs, then sure, be more aggressive in securing UVA, UNC, ND.

That's 100% the primary motivation for the top helmet schools in the P12 because they're so far behind in revenue, the B1G's problem isn't revenue, right now anyway.  The B1G could have a revenue problem long term if it fails to field nationally competitive football teams over the coming decades.

For the B1G, the primary motivating factor is setting itself up with the best odds to succeed in the new playoff landscape and compete for national championships against this retooled SEC.  In order to do that, the B1G needs:

1.  Exposure in good football recruiting states.
2.  Revenue
3.  Helmet schools that carry the banner for the B1G.

#1 is where the SEC has a monumental lead on the B1G, and why they've created such a dominant recruiting advantage.  Bringing a state like California into the B1G footprint would give the conference an advantage there over the SEC in the #3/#4 recruiting hotbed in the country.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #217 on: August 03, 2021, 01:53:49 PM »
It'd be nice if there were a suitable (UT or aTm) Texas school available.

The only AAU in Florida is UF and they aren't going anywhere.

The only AAU in Georgia is GT, and meh, sans the Atlanta market.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #218 on: August 03, 2021, 02:10:12 PM »
Quote from: iahawk15 on August 03, 2021, 08:21:58 AM
I disagree. To me, this is about finding the best way to generate more revenue for the conference members without making any short-sighted, reactionary yet permanent decisions.

A scheduling agreement with the PAC does exactly that while biding time on the ACC GOR. If ACC is truly on shakey legs, then sure, be more aggressive in securing UVA, UNC, ND.
The Twitter rumor that FSU and Clemson reached out to the SEC seems to have been debunked.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #219 on: August 03, 2021, 02:11:28 PM »
Quote from: TamrielsKeeper on August 03, 2021, 01:48:46 PM
That's 100% the primary motivation for the top helmet schools in the P12 because they're so far behind in revenue, the B1G's problem isn't revenue, right now anyway.  The B1G could have a revenue problem long term if it fails to field nationally competitive football teams over the coming decades.

For the B1G, the primary motivating factor is setting itself up with the best odds to succeed in the new playoff landscape and compete for national championships against this retooled SEC.  In order to do that, the B1G needs:

1.  Exposure in good football recruiting states.
2.  Revenue
3.  Helmet schools that carry the banner for the B1G.

#1 is where the SEC has a monumental lead on the B1G, and why they've created such a dominant recruiting advantage.  Bringing a state like California into the B1G footprint would give the conference an advantage there over the SEC in the #3/#4 recruiting hotbed in the country.
Unless you're expecting OSU, Michigan, etc to play 2+ games in California every year, a scheduling agreement accomplishes all three of your bullet points.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #220 on: August 03, 2021, 02:13:07 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on August 03, 2021, 02:10:12 PM
The Twitter rumor that FSU and Clemson reached out to the SEC seems to have been debunked.
What about the UT/OU rumor? ;D title=Grin
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #221 on: August 03, 2021, 02:18:49 PM »
I suspect FSU would join the SEC if there were no barriers at all, and if they were invited.

Clemson, probably not.

The B1G is already playing 9 conference games, so they can play one P5 team OOC and still have the two pastries.  If they fill up with Pac teams, it would mean no ACC/SEC/B12 opponents in the future though.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #222 on: August 03, 2021, 02:22:57 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 03, 2021, 02:18:49 PM
I suspect FSU would join the SEC if there were no barriers at all, and if they were invited.

Clemson, probably not.

The B1G is already playing 9 conference games, so they can play one P5 team OOC and still have the two pastries.  If they fill up with Pac teams, it would mean no ACC/SEC/B12 opponents in the future though.
Most likely scheduling scenario would be 8 B1G, 2 PAC (1 home, 1 away),  2 open for OOC.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #223 on: August 03, 2021, 02:24:04 PM »
Yeah, that makes more sense, I agree.
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