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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #280 on: August 04, 2021, 07:52:36 PM »
Looking at the map, UNC and Virginia are somewhat logical. It's like the only part of the CSA that the SEC hasn't infiltrated yet, it's Big Ten adjacent through Maryland, and it is somewhat fertile recruiting grounds. I don't love it, but it isn't the worst idea that anyone has put forth so far. 
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #281 on: August 04, 2021, 08:00:00 PM »
Looking at the map, UNC and Virginia are somewhat logical. It's like the only part of the CSA that the SEC hasn't infiltrated yet, it's Big Ten adjacent through Maryland, and it is somewhat fertile recruiting grounds. I don't love it, but it isn't the worst idea that anyone has put forth so far.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #282 on: August 04, 2021, 08:37:43 PM »
UNC and UVA would make a lot of sense for the B1G. 
If the conference doesn't get some kind of foot in the high-growth states, it's going to become the Ivy League in 50 years (if football still exists).  The VA Beach/Norfolk/Newport News area is probably a top-10 region for recruiting.  Charlotte is great, too. 
They expand the footprint.
The footprint remains contiguous.
Good population/high growth states.
AAU.
Good academics overall.
Plus good basketball as a bonus.
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If I was the commissioner of the B1G (don't go running off a cliff, this is just a hypothetical), I'd poke and prod those 2 schools to see what they're thinking and/or see if it's even feasible for them to leave the ACC.  It would've been my first call(s) when UT/OU to the SEC came out. 
Not some PAC-6 or Iowa State/KU silliness.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #283 on: August 04, 2021, 10:04:35 PM »
I'll be dead in 50 years, or damn close, so I don't particularly concern myself about the long term ramifications.

In the meantime...

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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #284 on: August 04, 2021, 11:37:48 PM »
Yeah, the northern half of that map hasn't changed in the past 20 years.
CA, TX, and FL are already the top recruiting states.  GA, NC, VA, and LA are or have already bypassed every northern state besides maybe OH.  And the gap grows every day.  
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Top 5 Cities in terms of actual growth of number of people the past 10 years:
+234K Phoenix
+225K Houston
+221K San Antonio
+186K LA
+177K Austin..........NYC is 7th, and the only B1G city is Columbus at 13th.
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Top 5 Cities in terms of actual loss of number of people the past 10 years:
-43K Detroit
-27K Baltimore
-19K St. Louis
-16K Cleveland
-15K Toledo...........there are southern cities on the list, but 1/3 as many as northern cities.
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The population argument is akin to northerners on the Titanic assuring everyone that it's fine, everything's fine.  
You simply just need to look at the list of national champions the past 30 years to see it's not about strict population - it's about weather, youth, growth, and culture.  
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Bama Bama Bama?  Go back pre-Bama.  Florida, LSU, Florida, Texas, USC, LSU, OSU, Miami, OU, FSU, Tennessee!, Neb/UM, Florida, Neb, Neb, FSU, Bama, Miami/UW, GT/CU, Miami, ND......I consider that '88 NC by ND as a place-marker.  
What's the tally?  
Rust Belt:  6
Sun Belt:  16
Other:  2 (UW, CU)
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Since then?
Rust Belt:  1
Sun Belt:  11
Other:    0
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Going back to '88?
Rust Belt:  7
Sun Belt:  27
Other:      2
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AND THE GAP IS GROWING.
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #285 on: August 05, 2021, 09:51:17 AM »
You are a very pushy salesman for UNC and Virginia. 


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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #286 on: August 05, 2021, 09:53:08 AM »
I'd take them

heck a deal could be made that details what happens years from now when the ACC GOR is closer to expiring
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #287 on: August 05, 2021, 10:12:53 AM »
Become a southern conference just to be relevant in some distant future where they won't be playing football anyway because of concussions? Eff that. 

If the North dies, the Big Ten goes down with the ship. 

That said, the population in the North is still ten times as "dense" as in the south, and 100 times as dense as out west. 

If you are between NYC and Chicago, you can't get away from people if you try. Even the rural areas have a farm on every plot, and a house on every farm. Out west I can 100 miles without passing a single house. 
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #288 on: August 05, 2021, 12:04:45 PM »
Metro area growth is probably more of consequence than inside the city.

I think any conference would take UNC/UVA, there is no real barrier there.  When you get to Wake and Dook it gets dicey.

VT, NCSU, fairly decent football schools.  FSU/Miami make an interesting pair but probably more for the SEC.


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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #289 on: August 05, 2021, 12:27:02 PM »
True, if the northern cities are losing population to their own suburbs, then they aren't really losing population other than in a very technical, statistical manner. 
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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #290 on: August 05, 2021, 12:30:56 PM »
The city of Atlanta was losing population rather quickly for a couple decades while the metro area was expanding significantly.


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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #291 on: August 05, 2021, 02:12:12 PM »
If the Big Ten is going to expand....and they will....an obvious choice is ND.  I have to think that they are starting to feel the pressure with conferences continuing to grow.  Once the SEC and Big Ten reach 16.....who knows how long it will be until they make a move to 20.  ND is not going to want to be left out when that happens.  Maybe they don't worry about it as much.....seeing as how the ACC would be a consolation if the Big Ten and SEC hit their limits.....but it would be stupid to wait that long.

But count me in on the idea of adding Virginia and UNC.  Both fit the mold of a Big Ten school both athletically and academically.  Sure....it stretches out the footprint of the conference a little more.....but that's kind of the point.  Reach other large media markets and grow conference revenues.  Plus.....Virginia and UNC would be far better to add than USC and UCLA (which there have been rumors about).  Those two don't fit the geographical region of the Big Ten AT ALL.

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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #292 on: August 05, 2021, 03:28:46 PM »
I may be wrong, but I believe that The Big Ten Academic Alliance provides more money to the Universities than the TV Money provides.  I can't see the B1G bringing any school in that might dilute the academics since all schools of the B1G share in the BTAA. 

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Re: Likely expansion targets for the B1G
« Reply #293 on: August 05, 2021, 04:36:15 PM »
If they add Virginia and UNC and keep the two division format, it would force Indiana West. What this would do is set things up so that everyone who joined the Big Ten after 1900 would be in the East Division except for Nebraska, who would occupy Chicago's spot with the OGs in the West.

You'd have the Noobs and the Rubes.
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