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It's well worth noting that we spent billions of dollars trying to control Afghanistan and had every technological advantage one could want, and still could never hold any significant portion of the country for any length of time.

It's also worth noting that we learned nothing about the Soviet attempt to do the same in that country.

Two complete failures.

I can't convince you of something you've no experience with... i've seen business so hectic that 20-30 snatch and grab operations a week were normal.  Sending teams out all over the city based on intel or hunches, satellite tracking or based on info shook out of the previous nights customers. The purpose was to disrupt what was simply expected to be a well organized effort by a central organization- and we'd find the cells constantly but could not figure out neither how their orders were communicated or who was sending them... and then it was suggested by someone and dismissed... just for later discovering it was correct.... what was it?

A gaggle of many many tangos aka insurgents but operating in cells of no more than 10 or 12... 15 at most... 4 or five often... and who may or may not have known about other cells letting loose the same mayhem they were- like rivals outdoing each other but accomplishing actions seemingly in concert and to what we believed to be coordinated efforts.  It wasn't.  It was just a gaggle of tangos with similar or the same sentiment, and that which was communicated not from a central command/handlers, but through broadcast radio or the little speeches broadcast over the loudspeakers after the morning call to prayer.  We spent who knows how much time and effort trying to find the 'bosses' when their weren't any, and the independence of those teams/cells made patterns or trends incredibly difficult to identify,  because they didn't exist.  These are PhD level directors and very experienced leaders working with the best critical skills operators on the planet, so don't cough up dumbassery as the cause for this.

From those experiences, every man involved learned that a small group can cause mass mayhem- and several small groups operating to the same overarching ends can do ten fold that... and twice that number of cells, they could take over the region, and did.

^ thats the world of a-symetrical warfare.  That's what wars from Somalia to Syria, Libya to Afghanistan taught us.  And the folks participating?  They took notes so they'd know how to better handle it if encountered in the future- and how they'd employ it if ever facing vastly superior forces. ... and is the reason our government fears those guys.

There is major concern about what a group within the training and experience could do in docile America- where none of that mess has ever been experienced.  There are doctrines and books written about it.

Delusions of grandeur?  You and your brethren only call it that because your media offered it up in effort to shame and reduce the threats within your own minds... Biden says "what good would a rifle do against an f15?"... as if he's certain his side would be able to use those tools. 


There are delusions here for certain- but they aren't of grandeur by who you've been conditioned to dismiss... theyre instead delusion from/by your side for underestimating what they could do 'if they had the mind to'.  It's a very good thing these types aren't of the mind to, but instead to protect peace at almost any cost which is deeply programmed into them.... and, by the way, most those guys are trained in counter insurgency, which is training host nations rebels... meaning, one guy in the know could easily bring a group of good Ole boys or gang banger types to wreck command structures the govt would have to rely on. 


Strategies and tactics... im going to guess you know little of such.


The good news is, further, none of this will happen.  Our govt is greedy, careless, corrupt, but they're not stupid or crazy.  They think they're the smartest people in the room, and they may be in one or two measures, but they ain't the most dangerous nor the most resolved without the backing of citizens.  And that's what it boils down to- if citizens turn on each other because of the stupid games our govt and elected exploit for their own gain, we could damn well end up like in a situation like mao, Hitler, Stalin, Hussain or even as current Nkorea, china... but people won't let that happen, i hope.  You can easily be convinced to condemn me for not getting a jab or wearing a mask and feel as if you're superior, but are you willing to kill wholesale anyone who defies those orders?


If you are, you're the problem.. not those you wrongfully dismiss as having 'delusions of grandeur". 

Yeah, this is what I'm talking about.  From your tone, you're also folding in delusions of nobility, lol.  I don't enjoy seemingly talking down veterans and/or whoever else you'd lump in with them in their organized stepped-in-an-ant-pile tactics.  
I'm glad it'll never happen, but if the gov't is needing to attack our own people on our own soil, the rules go out the window.  This is one of many reasons correlations to the middle east problems don't really apply.  Tactical strikes vs scorched earth.  Global war ethics vs do whatever the hell you want.  If it got to that point, there would be no rules.  And where are the hundreds of years of utilized tunnels here in the US?  How many of those fighting back are these types you described vs just a dude with a gun and a certain ideology?  1 of 10?  2 of 10?  

I just see your post and think it's a cool 'rah-rah' underdog story that might win a battle here or there, but on the whole, are getting blown away with ease.  The fun part is that neither of us can be demonstrably right or wrong, yet my conviction is somehow less valid than yours?  What?  LOL

Have fun with it, because that's all it is.  A 'what if' conversation.  

Germany going to have to ban cars or at least make them more difficult to get.

https://apnews.com/article/germany-magdeburg-christmas-market-6b2bcf305eb9f60f8d7273949dbba4c8

Ahh yes, that silly argument. Like, I'm probably less interested in gun control than most here, and that remains deeply silly. 

Um that was sarcasm BAB

I'm aware. 

But it's sarcasm in support of an argument, and that presentation remains silly. 

most talking points are deeply silly after a teenage girl uses two guns to shot people at her school

But I was told they're more like cars. Just objects that can be used for good an ill. 

one reason there's no sense arguing about gun control

there's no reasoning.....
It quickly goes to dictators in past history disarming the public (cold dead fingers) to taking away cars and table knives

I'd agree with that. And it's not even like most gun people are actually anti-gun control, anyway. 

most talking points are deeply silly after a teenage girl uses two guns to shot people at her school

First off, i greatly appreciate this post... ive done what i dislike the most, which is politicizing a bad circumstance.

We're focusing on the tools.  If someone wants to kill or maim someone else, those firesticks are the obvious choice... while more people are killed with knives still, in this country. 

Psych drugs play a major role in just about every circumstance recorded.  We could argue about that.  But that isn't it. We could talk about video games, but that isn't it either. 

There is a sentiment that has corrupted where life isn't held in regard and where people believe their own beliefs justify actions to those they oppose and justifies terrible things just because... live and let live is gone.

My entire point is a small motivated group with bad intentions can and will cause straight havoc if they seek to, and it's evidenced in this specific subject by a child in Madison and an accomplice in California who was passively involved.  Now imagine a thousand of her at once across the nation. ... but according to 'fro,  we could take em out with artillery and rockets? I'd like to see Nancy Pelosi crawling into the cockpit of an f18 preparing to do this... because it would be just that- they aren't rulers and their demands have limitations.

Being spoken to as if the entire subject is "what if" is funny... because it's not "what if"... its happened.  It can be studied instead of imagined..... at least my vantage can.

Opinions vary and all wrapped up demonstrate the sentiment of a society.  We can see it here, and instead of being mad maybe we should appreciate that someone's opinion was shared- no matter how alien- and use it to help us figure out where we're wrong,  and in hopes to figure out where we can be right and allow peace to rule the day because of that understanding.  There is a reason free speech is listed above right to bear arms... instead of "resorting" to the second, we ought to exhaust, completley, the first.... which is something of a personal endeavor with the operation of this site- talking, bitching,  venting, sharing, but communicating...

Without that^ I'd not know that 'fro is a decent guy outside of the obvious irritations that are often only imagined amd certainly not worth being set into violent actions about.