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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1106 on: August 30, 2018, 08:49:47 AM »
Well, this would limit the idea that she’s out for just money right now.

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180829/report-details-allegations-of-longtime-abuse-by-zach-smith?template=ampart&__twitter_impression=true
Funny, what we take from what we read.   That’s what you took from that?
I had read that last night and immediately thought, well now they can prove she lied. She had said nobody from OSU had ever. Ontacted her, and her attorney publicly said the same thing.
But, to her credit, she clarified that by this a.m. that no attorney from OSU had contacted her, and that she never would have said that.
The most telling thing was the chief’s saying they have information that either “ explains or dispels” her claims, as opposed to “ promotes or dispels”. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1107 on: August 30, 2018, 09:58:09 AM »
Is it common for police reports to change 3 years after incidents? I’m asking out of ignorance. If I obtained a police report, I would never think it was inaccurate, but that’s so out of the realm of my daily life that I’m not sure what’s common and uncommon.
on the police report, i've now seen 3 different copies.
the original, with hand written notes on it (posted here on last page), with the arrest box check, with domestic violence/felonious assault listed as offenses.
one supposedly updated about a week after original, with the arrest box unchecked, invest pending box checked, but also some differences in the offenses listed (disorderly conduct/aggravated menacing)
and a third, updated in 2018, arrest box unchecked, no invest pending box checked, and offenses changed back to dv/fa.
speculating a bit here, but is it not possible that originally they marked for arrest, then changed it to investigate (maybe when she decided not to press charges? or on flip side maybe some flaws in her story appeared?) they also think they might can change charges to get more likely chance of charges/conviction? after investigating a little more, decide they can't (or she just won't charge and/or is big flaws in her story?) and drop it. only to update it finally when it all hits news?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1108 on: August 30, 2018, 10:37:39 AM »
She said his morning the officer misunderstood. She never said OSU sent someone to the house, she said someone was sent to the house when she described the 2009 incident to the attorney. That’s a reasonable explanation. 

My point was that she did not bring up the abuse claims right now out of the blue. There’s been growing momentum that she was never abused. From outside the situation, it looks like an abuse victim crying out for help multiple times over the years. It doesn’t mean she’s not crazy, but increasing likelihood that there was unhealthy physical contact many times in their relationship.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1109 on: August 30, 2018, 10:51:26 AM »
She said his morning the officer misunderstood. She never said OSU sent someone to the house, she said someone was sent to the house when she described the 2009 incident to the attorney. That’s a reasonable explanation.

My point was that she did not bring up the abuse claims right now out of the blue. There’s been growing momentum that she was never abused. From outside the situation, it looks like an abuse victim crying out for help multiple times over the years. It doesn’t mean she’s not crazy, but increasing likelihood that there was unhealthy physical contact many times in their relationship.
Yes I agree.  
My point is- yesterday The Dispatch received an anonymous tip that she had told the police OSU had sent an attorney after the 2015 incident.  
That got published and our rush to judgement society took it as gospel.  
Thankfully she did the right thing and clarified it this morning.  That just makes her more credible in my eyes. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1110 on: August 30, 2018, 10:55:53 AM »
Yes I agree.  
My point is- yesterday The Dispatch received an anonymous tip that she had told the police OSU had sent an attorney after the 2015 incident.  
That got published and our rush to judgement society took it as gospel.  
Thankfully she did the right thing and clarified it this morning.  That just makes her more credible in my eyes.
It wasn't an anonymous tip, it was the police incident report, which the chief of police didn't dispute. How is that rushing to judgment?
The police report had the story wrong, which she clarified. It's not that the media reported it wrong. You're attacking the wrong people

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1111 on: August 30, 2018, 10:57:29 AM »
relying on the police for accurate thorough unbiased credible information is foolish
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1112 on: August 30, 2018, 11:04:02 AM »
Yes I agree.  
My point is- yesterday The Dispatch received an anonymous tip that she had told the police OSU had sent an attorney after the 2015 incident.  
That got published and our rush to judgement society took it as gospel.  
Thankfully she did the right thing and clarified it this morning.  That just makes her more credible in my eyes.
So this gets into something interesting: media outlets tend to believe what the police say. There’s a far more political discussion to be had about it, but for our small corner of the world, it means public police documents are made very public. That’s long been the media way of operating, as public documents are considered safely reportable. 
This was not a document made publicly available, but it was a police document. The paper contacted be department in question, and the department didn’t dispute it was legitimate. So it was not an “anonymous tip,” but rather an anonomously supplied official document that was verified. 
Now the question is, what should see the light of day. If we err on the side of keeping things quiet, we’ll end up with some not great outcomes. Either folks doing something heinous and a history of behavior that doesn’t quite get to the higher standard of being out there, or people involved using those high standards to hide things (they already can to a degree, and that’s sometimes a problem). If we stick with what we have, lots of innuendo, which we feel is very bad. I don’t know if there’s a better way to do it or not. We’re a curious and reactive species by nature. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1113 on: August 30, 2018, 11:04:18 AM »
Yeah that part went from "terminate the football program" bad to "nevermind" pretty fast.  I don't see where Courtney lied about anything and she was pretty fast to clarify in favor of OSU.  I guess if the officer comes out and says she is lying it's one thing, but it seems pretty reasonable to think the officer conflated the stories.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1114 on: August 30, 2018, 11:51:59 AM »
It wasn't an anonymous tip, it was the police incident report, which the chief of police didn't dispute. How is that rushing to judgment?
The police report had the story wrong, which she clarified. It's not that the media reported it wrong. You're attacking the wrong people
Lol.   I am not attacking anything or anyone.
So now what the police have to say or not say has bearing of this all of the sudden? It didn’t before when they refused to press charges based on the evidence in front of them. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t continue to believe everything that points to your narrative And disavow  out everything that doesn’t. And that’s what this whole thing has been for you and really the whole national media
« Last Edit: August 30, 2018, 11:53:31 AM by Honestbuckeye »
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1115 on: August 30, 2018, 12:01:22 PM »
Slow drip.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1116 on: August 30, 2018, 12:51:49 PM »
Lol.   I am not attacking anything or anyone.
So now what the police have to say or not say has bearing of this all of the sudden? It didn’t before when they refused to press charges based on the evidence in front of them. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t continue to believe everything that points to your narrative And disavow  out everything that doesn’t. And that’s what this whole thing has been for you and really the whole national media
Pot meet kettle. 
Show me where I said what the police say has no bearing? 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1117 on: August 30, 2018, 01:00:15 PM »
I thought the bigger conversation this week wasn't this story but all the outlets and "open records request" lawyers acknowledging that deleting those text messages is definitely illegal and begs for police investigation but that won't realistically happen to Meyer in Ohio.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1118 on: August 30, 2018, 01:06:30 PM »
I thought the bigger conversation this week wasn't this story but all the outlets and "open records request" lawyers acknowledging that deleting those text messages is definitely illegal and begs for police investigation but that won't realistically happen to Meyer in Ohio.
So you know he did delete texts?  How did you get that info since nobody else can confirm that?

Did you validate that through the same process you used to repeatedly refer to ZS as a serial abuser?    

I suspect so.  
« Last Edit: August 30, 2018, 01:13:12 PM by Honestbuckeye »
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #1119 on: August 30, 2018, 01:11:28 PM »
Pot meet kettle.
Show me where I said what the police say has no bearing?
You didn’t.  You said that in this aspect it does have bearing.  But to this point you have ignored the fact that the police never had enough reason to make an arrest for DV. 
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