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MrNubbz · « **Reply #1092 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:43:09 PM »

That 300,000 + evidently came in handy I'm guessin' for her & the kids.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #1093 on:** August 25, 2018, 09:47:15 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on August 25, 2018, 08:39:33 PM

HB - there’s parts of your take that I’m really trying to understand but I can’t make click in my head.

The false narrative that Meyer covered up and lied for ZS, but then proceed to call ZS a POS. I simply don’t understand how you can claim he’s a POS but think Meyer didn’t cover for him. Take DV out for a second. I think that’s you’re sticking point. Are you assuming everyone thinks Meyer knew about the DV and was protecting it? If so, I think you’re misunderstanding some of the general outrage here.

Speaking for myself, I think Meyer covered ZS’s scummy activities, besides DV.

Lastly, how is it clear that the OSU Camp doesn’t believe the abuse claims? What factual evidence helped you get there. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just looking how you connected the dots to that vs they were turning a blind eye ha they didn’t believe it happened.

Then we agree, it isn’t about the alleged DV.
You can say Meyer covered for ZS. But is it really “covering” or is just being too blindly loyal to see the danger. Was there really any risk to Meyer from the loss of ZS? No.
And if you just compile what Smiths attorney said, specifically about false reports, what Meyer said about he said she said in that very clip you posted, and entertain the possibility that ther is some truth in what the two moms are saying, it is really obvious that the police, and the OSU camp was skeptical at best.

SuperMario · « **Reply #1094 on:** August 26, 2018, 09:24:20 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 25, 2018, 09:47:15 PM

Then we agree, it isn’t about the alleged DV.
You can say Meyer covered for ZS. But is it really “covering” or is just being too blindly loyal to see the danger. Was there really any risk to Meyer from the loss of ZS? No.
And if you just compile what Smiths attorney said, specifically about false reports, what Meyer said about he said she said in that very clip you posted, and entertain the possibility that ther is some truth in what the two moms are saying, it is really obvious that the police, and the OSU camp was skeptical at best.

But back to my point, we’re absent factual evidence. Almost everyone has universally agree that ZS is a POS and Courtney is a little crazy, but we’re going to put the two mothers that raised them on a pedestal and believe they are reliable witnesses? I’m yet to be convinced both families aren’t nuts.
Meyer had a vested interest in taking the approach he didn’t believe it actually happened and so did the program and police department at that point. I don’t think there is any evidence showing the abuse didn’t happen and judging by the character is ZS, it’s very possibly it did. It’s also possible it didn’t and he’s just a dirtbag and she’s batsh*t crazy, but I think it’s unreasonable to see we have clear evidence.

betarhoalphadelta · « **Reply #1095 on:** August 26, 2018, 10:40:59 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 25, 2018, 12:39:56 PM

It's true. Whether on the cloud (iMessage) or by device forensics, it can be retrieved. But only with a court order, and we should doubt that will ever happen (and even if it does, that Urban will still have that device). An FOIA request wouldn't bring this up either. Not without a court order. Which is really unlikely.
Having the technology to get them (we do) and still not seeing them (we won't) in no way absolves the conspiracy with Voltolini or deletion or tips the balances to say there's probably nothing there.

Couldn't the OSU investigation have gotten a hold of them? I don't know if Meyer's phone is paid for by the school, but I would have thought they'd have tried to get the past texts through court if necessary.
Unless of course they knew they'd find something to justify firing Meyer and didn't want to find info they couldn't explain away.

FearlessF · « **Reply #1096 on:** August 26, 2018, 11:03:35 AM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on August 26, 2018, 10:40:59 AM

Unless of course they knew they'd find something to justify firing Meyer and didn't want to find info they couldn't explain away.

bingo

MrNubbz · « **Reply #1097 on:** August 26, 2018, 11:44:41 AM »

There were elements of the BoT that would have liked to see precisely that.Meyer nourished this whole debacle for 6 years - even by just standing by and doing nothing.Some of the most influential members evidently wanted Urbs head on a platter

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #1098 on:** August 26, 2018, 04:27:10 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on August 26, 2018, 09:24:20 AM

But back to my point, we’re absent factual evidence. Almost everyone has universally agree that ZS is a POS and Courtney is a little crazy, but we’re going to put the two mothers that raised them on a pedestal and believe they are reliable witnesses? I’m yet to be convinced both families aren’t nuts.
Meyer had a vested interest in taking the approach he didn’t believe it actually happened and so did the program and police department at that point. I don’t think there is any evidence showing the abuse didn’t happen and judging by the character is ZS, it’s very possibly it did. It’s also possible it didn’t and he’s just a dirtbag and she’s batsh*t crazy, but I think it’s unreasonable to see we have clear evidence.

But what specifically was Urbans-vested interest?

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1099 on:** August 26, 2018, 05:46:45 PM »

Quote from: bwarbiany on August 26, 2018, 10:40:59 AM

Couldn't the OSU investigation have gotten a hold of them? I don't know if Meyer's phone is paid for by the school, but I would have thought they'd have tried to get the past texts through court if necessary.
Unless of course they knew they'd find something to justify firing Meyer and didn't want to find info they couldn't explain away.

I think they eliminated that option when they gave the investigation a 2-week timeline. Approval/Forensics could easily take longer, right?

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1100 on:** August 26, 2018, 05:56:59 PM »

Quote from: TyphonInc on August 25, 2018, 06:24:57 PM

I don't think this statement is correct.

I guess I have to agree. The timing of OSU's Monday announcements for "monitoring" and then firing Zach Smith (within an hour) after each McMurphy's two Monday reports could be correlative and not causative. I'm skeptical that it's absolutely the case but I can't deny the possibility.

Quote from: TyphonInc on August 25, 2018, 06:24:57 PM

(Pet peeve is that Urban's 3 weeks suspension ends up being 7 weeks, while Gene's is an actual 3, but that could just be petteyness on my part.)

Many of us agree that Gene's errors were at least as serious as Meyer's perhaps more. So I'm 100% with you. Though I would clarify that Urban's suspension isn't actually 7 weeks. By technical definition it ends (partly) on September 2nd. And I'd say that if we split up a coach's duties, being with the team for the Sun-Fri of weeks 2/3 is far more valuable than being with the team on Saturdays 2/3.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #1101 on:** August 27, 2018, 09:05:14 AM »

The onus is on Urby.Gene had brought up firing the Ebola Chimp earlier.The more oversights I see Meyer look past his inaction when something needed to be done.Meyer has flip-flopped and ignoring a prepared statement for the press then arrogantly proclaiming "who makes up stories like that" when there was plenty out there to give the University a black eye.He himself was covering up a series ZS's blunders for 6 seasons.Shit his wifes phone alone was enough to send Zach down the river.I don't think it was a coincidence Zach was fired after the two stories broke.Just like it wasn't a coincidence Urbz phone got cleaned before an inquiry.Meyer should have been dismissed w/o pay

Riffraft · « **Reply #1102 on:** August 27, 2018, 12:50:43 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on August 25, 2018, 06:57:46 PM

I don’t think I’m understanding correctly. So he should have followed up harder, but people who subsequently followed up were refused the summary of events? Again, ignorance on my part and I’m asking more to learn.
Would a Sports reporter normally know what to ask for?

I know that if I had an arrest report on someone, the next thing I would do is look for an adjudication of the arrest. A bail hearing, a preliminary hearing, something and if I found nothing I would dig deeper to find out why not.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #1103 on:** August 28, 2018, 12:18:30 AM »

Quote from: Riffraft on August 27, 2018, 12:50:43 PM

I know that if I had an arrest report on someone, the next thing I would do is look for an adjudication of the arrest. A bail hearing, a preliminary hearing, something and if I found nothing I would dig deeper to find out why not.

By the same logic, no member of the public should look at Zach Smith and support him on the basis that, despite the arrests, "he was never charged."
In which case, I completely agree.

HailHailMSP · « **Reply #1104 on:** August 29, 2018, 07:40:26 PM »

Zach Smith and his mom are in full meltdown mode on social media today. He is going full attack on the media and his ex-wife. He is posting pictures of his kids and stating his ex-wife and the media are ruining them. Momma Bruce is attacking Ohio State and Urban.

Every time the story starts to die someone from that family dredges it up. Without some serious intervention this looks like it might be spiraling towards a really bad ending.

SuperMario · « **Reply #1105 on:** August 30, 2018, 08:25:24 AM »

Well, this would limit the idea that she’s out for just money right now.

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180829/report-details-allegations-of-longtime-abuse-by-zach-smith?template=ampart&__twitter_impression=true

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