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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #924 on: August 23, 2018, 04:00:03 PM »
The investigators were no doubt generous to Urban when it came to those medications. I think they were too generous. However, if you scan the side effects and acknowledge memory effects and your interviewee is using that in his favor, what can you do but say "Yeah...geez...maybe he's right." 
The maybe aspect there is essential. From my reading they didn't go further than "maybe." And logically, it would have been unfair to go less far than that. They were stuck because these things can never bring up enough evidence for perfect conclusions.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #925 on: August 23, 2018, 04:01:12 PM »
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But if he was screwing a staffer, possibly one with which he enjoyed some sort of power imbalance as a member of the coaching staff, and they transferred her while keeping him on staff? That could get ugly. Especially if they transferred her to protect her from his aggressive, jealous, or potentially violent behavior... But if that were the case, then this could become a nuclear story.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #926 on: August 23, 2018, 04:03:54 PM »
And I don't get Gene Smith... Do you have control of your athletic department, or not?

After 2015, after truancy, after [failed] rehab, you tell Urban "Fire Zack Smith, or I will do it for you."

You don't "recommend" he get rid of him, and when Urban continues to protect him, let it slide.
Urban came close to being fired/retiring/quitting. Gene must have come even closer to a firing than that.
Somewhat related and fascinating: Gene Smith was not allowed in the deliberations. That's ... telling.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #927 on: August 23, 2018, 04:14:48 PM »
Gene is still haunted by allowing his football team to play in that Sugar Bowl.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #928 on: August 23, 2018, 04:20:20 PM »
https://thebiglead.com/2018/08/23/urban-meyer-ohio-state-suspension-report/

The university’s report pulled back the cover on the 54-year-old head coach’s handling of the situation and — along with the subsequent press conference — revealed, with stark clarity, something many have known for years: Meyer is a deceitful coward.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #929 on: August 23, 2018, 04:22:07 PM »
Urban did not do what he was suppose to do. He and Gene Smith were supposed to kick the info over to compliance. The BoT found that to be sins of omission, not commission hence the 3 game suspension.

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« Reply #930 on: August 23, 2018, 04:29:45 PM »
I have not had a chance to read through the entire thread and today, have only read the first 2 or 3 posts on this page.

My take on this thing is that tOSU got it about right on this one. Meyer is not being held responsible for the DV allegations against ZS. He is suspended due the entire body of behavior that he let ZS get away with. One or two incidents on their own might have been overlooked, but when you take into account the entirety of the behavior of ZS both in Columbus and at Florida, Urban should have dealt with ZS sooner. 

However, one of the things that gets me is the media piling onto Meyer and OSU for not bringing up Courtney Smith in the press conference, implying that she was slighted in this whole ordeal. I think the media has it wrong when they expect Meyer to apologize to her. She should be thanking him for putting his career and reputation on the line to keep her husband employed hoping that they could work out the marriage, and then after the marriage ended, keeping the checks coming from his job. Had Urban not been loyal to Earle Bruce and then by extension, Zach Smith, he would have cut him loose years ago and Courtney would not have lived with the benefit of Zach's income all these years.

And I don't need to hear that it's someone else's fault that she stayed and was abused. If it was as bad as she made it out to be, she had the power to call the police and file charges. SHE chose not too. People can do what they want to lay the blame at Urban's feet saying that he somehow enabled it by risking HIS lively hood and reputation to keep Zach employed. But ultimately, if (and I mean a big if) she was physically abused, she could have ended it with a simple phone call and the willingness to see it through. But she didn't until the money dried up. Something tells me there is more to this story and we will hear about it soon.



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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #931 on: August 23, 2018, 04:52:25 PM »
I think that's partly correct NOB but one part is close to fully incorrect. The main finding Meyer is being punished for is failure to report the 2015 DV allegations to compliance. (For discussing them with Gene for months but not moving them up the chain)

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #932 on: August 23, 2018, 04:59:42 PM »
This is being twisted by some into a story line that Meyer condoned DV.

That is a hot button item obviously.  

Was Meyer supposed to make that report to Compliance in 2015 by contract or policy?  I was not clear on that point.

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« Reply #933 on: August 23, 2018, 05:03:48 PM »
I think that's partly correct NOB but one part is close to fully incorrect. The main finding Meyer is being punished for is failure to report the 2015 DV allegations to compliance. (For discussing them with Gene for months but not moving them up the chain)
I get it. However, while listening to the Q&A at the presser, Tim May (Columbus Dispatch beat reporter) asked Gene Smith and Urban about who was responsible for kicking this to compliance. Before Urban could answer, Smith chimed in and stated that it was his job to go to compliance. Tim May then followed up with something to the effect that if it was the AD's job take the matter to compliance, why is Urban on the hot seat for that.  

That makes me believe that UM is really being punished, not for failure to report the specific 2015 incident to compliance, but more for ignoring the warning signs of ZS's poor judgement since 2009 and allowing him to remain on staff. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #934 on: August 23, 2018, 05:13:50 PM »
Was Meyer supposed to make that report to Compliance in 2015 by contract or policy?  I was not clear on that point.
I believe his contract states he has report...
"Under his employment contract with OSU, Urban Meyer had at all relevant times an obligation to “immediately report to the [Athletic] Director and to the Department’s Office of Compliance Services in writing if any person or entity, including without limitation, representatives of Ohio State's athletic interests, has violated or is likely to violate or may potentially have violated any [applicable] laws,” including all federal, state and local laws. (Meyer Employment Contract §4.1.d)"
I get it. However, while listening to the Q&A at the presser, Tim May (Columbus Dispatch beat reporter) asked Gene Smith and Urban about who was responsible for kicking this to compliance. Before Urban could answer, Smith chimed in and stated that it was his job to go to compliance. Tim May then followed up with something to the effect that if it was the AD's job take the matter to compliance, why is Urban on the hot seat for that.  

That makes me believe that UM is really being punished, not for failure to report the specific 2015 incident to compliance, but more for ignoring the warning signs of ZS's poor judgement since 2009 and allowing him to remain on staff.

If you read the investigation report, that's not true either. You're not supposed to rely on your boss reporting it to compliance. 
"Reporting requirements are intended to be both broad and redundant – in the case of Coach Meyer, they require reporting (in writing) to two places (to the AD and to Athletic Compliance) and the obligation to report is placed on each individual, an obligation not relieved by the knowledge or reporting by another individual." 
Now, it appears that both Gene and Urban stated--as did a lot of other folks, apparently--that they believed that they didn't need to report in the absence of formal charges or arrest. From the report, it seems that the lesson learned was that OSU needs to train their people better... Which is a fancy way of avoiding holding Urban and Gene responsible for not knowing policy and continuing to protect a douchebag.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #935 on: August 23, 2018, 05:19:34 PM »
By contract.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #936 on: August 23, 2018, 05:22:20 PM »
 I think the media has it wrong when they expect Meyer to apologize to her. She should be thanking him for putting his career and reputation on the line to keep her husband employed hoping that they could work out the marriage, and then after the marriage ended, keeping the checks coming from his job. .
That I agree with IMO Meyer new if their problems became public firing Zach would have been put them in a bad place.That's on Urbs though - he ended up putting the University there instead
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #937 on: August 23, 2018, 05:25:55 PM »
The investigators were no doubt generous to Urban when it came to those medications. 
Medications my ass if he'd stick to the truth that's all he'd have to remember
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