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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #812 on: August 22, 2018, 10:31:01 PM »
equally disgusting is the Big Ten Conference statement supporting this investigation and the punishment
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #813 on: August 22, 2018, 10:35:37 PM »
Shows me they did a piss poor background investigation, and for that I blame Gene Smith, considering it his job to make sure compliance is followed.
Wouldn’t a very basic background investigation when hiring Smith, start and stop with the guy that is hiring him, that also had him on his staff at Florida, and knew about his 2009 arrest (strangulation of pregnant wife)? Gene Smith said Meyer did not tell him about that. 
At a minimum Gene Smith seemed contrite tonight. He apologized and stated he was responsible for 2015. 
Urban meyer breezed through a speed reading competition during his statement. The press conference abruptly ended with the Courtney Smith question, from which the answer is now the headline every news agency covering it is running with. I don’t understand how the PR team didn’t  prep him for the Courtney question. No matter how he might feel about her, there were 100 ways he could have answered that better. 

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« Reply #814 on: August 22, 2018, 10:38:22 PM »
Urban Meyer: "Most of what I know about Zach Smith is work-related... my biggest regret is I wish I would have known more. Had I known more, I would have taken action must quicker."

Last week Urban and his wife were talking about how they counseled a young couple. This week, he only knows him from work. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #815 on: August 22, 2018, 10:39:46 PM »
My thoughts after watching the presser:

I would like to read the BoT meeting notes more than the report the committee will release.  The leaks that the BoT recommended reinstate, and President Drake was holding on a suspension are telling.  I am guessing he was pushing for more than three games.  If true, and leaks reveal that, will he remain at Ohio State and for how long?  Yes, football pays the bills folks, like it or not, it is the way of the college athletic realm right now,and until sports die, they will still have a huge impact on other aspects of the University.  Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Penn State do not get the millions of dollars they do because of academic side of the program.

After watching Urban during the presser, his body language to me told a whole different story than the words coming out of his mouth.  I have years of trained experience in reading body language, and his non verbal ques said a lot to me as the camera was focused on him, most telling was his head shake while President Drake read his statement.  Urban's scripted response also said a lot to me, not just the wording but the manner in which he delivered the statement.  Gene Smith also showed a lot body language that did not represent what was coming out of his mouth.  He jumped in real quick on the first question to shield Urban, who asked for a third repeat and answered the question anyway, instead of letting it die.

My thoughts after, are that this may well be Urban Meyers last season in Columbus, as the Buckeyes Head Coach.  I could easily see him retire after this season, not because of health issues, but because he needs a break.  He will sit out a year, then finish off his career in South Bend.  He stated he was a life long Buckeye, and that may be true, but will justify his move by saying something to the effect his faith brought to him to South Bend.  He will win a National Championship at Notre Dame, and retire having won two titles at Florida, a title at Ohio State and a title at Notre Dame.  Three very impressive football programs, at different times, which will make him more amazing that Saban just staying at Alabama and collecting titles in one program, something many coaches have done over the ages.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #816 on: August 22, 2018, 10:42:59 PM »
Wouldn’t a very basic background investigation when hiring Smith, start and stop with the guy that is hiring him, that also had him on his staff at Florida, and knew about his 2009 arrest (strangulation of pregnant wife)? Gene Smith said Meyer did not tell him about that.
At a minimum Gene Smith seemed contrite tonight. He apologized and stated he was responsible for 2015.
Urban meyer breezed through a speed reading competition during his statement. The press conference abruptly ended with the Courtney Smith question, from which the answer is now the headline every news agency covering it is running with. I don’t understand how the PR team didn’t  prep him for the Courtney question. No matter how he might feel about her, there were 100 ways he could have answered that better.
That is ultimately Gene Smith, he is the AD and responsible for the coaches.  If he allowed a free range hire, without proper vetting, then he is responsible. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #817 on: August 22, 2018, 10:44:57 PM »
 He stated he was a life long Buckeye, and that may be true, but will justify his move by saying something to the effect his faith brought to him to South Bend.  
Haha. RD, you’re a good dude. I’m not sure if you’re joking or serious, but that’s some funny foresight.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #818 on: August 22, 2018, 10:48:33 PM »
Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Penn State do not get the millions of dollars they do because of academic side of the program.
That's right. They get millions for their revenue sports ... and BILLIONS from the academic side. The modern research complex at Big Ten institutions is at least one order of magnitude larger than the most lucrative athletic department.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #819 on: August 22, 2018, 10:48:57 PM »
Urban's statement is true BS.  More or less agrees that he completely screws the pooch and drops the ball, but then says OK I accept my suspension

so he's just saying, I screwed up, sorry. I'll keep coaching young men to victories. Go away.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #820 on: August 22, 2018, 10:50:31 PM »
his non verbal ques said a lot to me as the camera was focused on him, most telling was his head shake while President Drake read his statement.
Yeah, I made the same observation (about the silent head shake when Drake spoke) as the presser unfolded. He was clearly defiant in spirit. But his words were scripted and he stuck with it. I chose to call that graceful. Politely deferring to an authority on a topic you don't believe in is HAARRRDDDD to pull off.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #821 on: August 22, 2018, 10:56:21 PM »
McMurphy's one mistake/stain in this process remains that he reported that Zach experienced a felony arrest in 2015, and yet at the end of July 2018, that was not true. He should probably let it go at this point, but I will admit the explanation is fascinating:

"On July 24, the Powell, Ohio, Police Department released a “revised report” about the 2015 incident – nearly three years after the incident – and the Powell Police Department changed its original report and now had the arrest box unchecked in its “revised report.”
I asked Powell Police Chief Gary Vest and director of communications Megan Canavan why Powell Police changed the original report. They said because “the terminology was different.”
That didn’t make sense to me last month and it still doesn’t today: either you are arrested or you’re not. You’re pregnant or you’re not pregnant."

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #822 on: August 22, 2018, 10:56:58 PM »
I was hoping for better from Urban and Ohio State and the investigation

failure from Urban and the University protecting him is expected

was the investigation really independent?

Ohio State University admits there was a problem that wasn't handled properly.  And the solution is a 3 game suspension????
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #823 on: August 22, 2018, 10:57:21 PM »
After watching Urban during the presser, his body language to me told a whole different story than the words coming out of his mouth.  I have years of trained experience in reading body language, and his non verbal ques said a lot to me as the camera was focused on him, most telling was his head shake while President Drake read his statement.  Urban's scripted response also said a lot to me, not just the wording but the manner in which he delivered the statement. 
That's all good and fine but I called him a bullshitter quite some time ago.Can I moonlight training one of those courses.UFM has an inflated view of himself,hell he was named after a Pope
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #824 on: August 22, 2018, 11:02:01 PM »
That's right. They get millions for their revenue sports ... and BILLIONS from the academic side. The modern research complex at Big Ten institutions is at least one order of magnitude larger than the most lucrative athletic department.
This much is true. Without looking I would hazard a guess that a handful of med device and pharma spin-offs our of Ohio State dwarf the the total athletic revenue over a 5-10 year period. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #825 on: August 22, 2018, 11:09:57 PM »
McMurphy's one mistake/stain in this process remains that he reported that Zach experienced a felony arrest in 2015, and yet at the end of July 2018, that was not true. He should probably let it go at this point, but I will admit the explanation is fascinating:

"On July 24, the Powell, Ohio, Police Department released a “revised report” about the 2015 incident – nearly three years after the incident – and the Powell Police Department changed its original report and now had the arrest box unchecked in its “revised report.”
I asked Powell Police Chief Gary Vest and director of communications Megan Canavan why Powell Police changed the original report. They said because “the terminology was different.”
That didn’t make sense to me last month and it still doesn’t today: either you are arrested or you’re not. You’re pregnant or you’re not pregnant."
And that it took til today to POST THE ARREST REPORT HE HAD!

 

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