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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #700 on: August 22, 2018, 12:34:42 PM »
Urban is on the rack primarily for the environment he built, one where everyone else knew about these rumors of serial assault, the alcoholism, the lewdness, and - whether Urban was aware of those rumors or not - Zach was safe to hide and thrive.
As usual-you are making a lot of assumptions.  How do you know what everyone knew?  
It has already been reported that OSU had learned of these things and was in the process of terminating Smith.   Something easy to validate.  
Or, your assumptions could prove accurate- in which case I woul agree- and would agree with holding Meyer accountable.  
But if you believe Saban or Harbaugh know everything about the personal lives of everyone on their staff- I would suggest you are quite naive.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #701 on: August 22, 2018, 12:37:51 PM »
Supposedly they are estranged because of her daughters alcohol problems and emotional outbursts.  
Objection: Bucknuts message board conjecture, your honor.
If we are hitting a number of journalist's credibility on this one, I believe we can do the same for the anonymous basement-dwelling rube's rumors about the ex-wife.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #702 on: August 22, 2018, 12:39:53 PM »
I don't know their family. I doubt most people do. But I find that inconsistent with normal human goings-on. 
There's a lot of things said in the last few pages, but I find this humorously accurate. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #703 on: August 22, 2018, 12:48:41 PM »
Objection: Bucknuts message board conjecture, your honor.
If we are hitting a number of journalist's credibility on this one, I believe we can do the same for the anonymous basement-dwelling rube's rumors about the ex-wife.
She said that in her radio interview.   Point blank asked. This is what she said. I have never been on Bucknuts.  The interview was with 97.1 in Cleveland.  
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #704 on: August 22, 2018, 01:05:59 PM »
Supposedly they are estranged because of her daughters alcohol problems and emotional outbursts.  
You need a better place for your crowbar. It's not a good look to keep piling on Courtney. Not just because it's unbecoming to pile on a victim but especially because she can be the most batshit crazy woman in Ohio and Zach would still have deserved to have been fired years ago. So you look bad piling on her AND doing so is not germane.
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« Reply #705 on: August 22, 2018, 01:08:06 PM »
She said that in her radio interview.   Point blank asked. This is what she said. I have never been on Bucknuts.  The interview was with 97.1 in Cleveland.  
Wait. Why are you in Cleveland?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #706 on: August 22, 2018, 01:11:24 PM »
Yeah, but some of these problems are not like the others.  It's not illegal or even immoral to be an alcoholic or take selfies.  The only issue that, to me, is of any importance is about the abuse.  I have not been a fan of how all of these issues get rolled into one, as if they are all of equal importance.  They are not.
They are separate but deserve to be stacked when the topic of deserving a job arises.
Serial assault of a woman is grounds for firing.
Inappropriate relationships with subordinates is grounds for firing.
Genitalia selfies are grounds for firing.
Chronic alcoholics may not break the law but often deserve to be fired. Of course, Zach's alcoholism did break the law (DUI). He was also bad at coaching football, which may or may not be connected to his alcoholism but would deserve firing either way.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #707 on: August 22, 2018, 01:14:08 PM »
As usual-you are making a lot of assumptions.  How do you know what everyone knew?  
It has already been reported that OSU had learned of these things and was in the process of terminating Smith.   Something easy to validate.  
Or, your assumptions could prove accurate- in which case I woul agree- and would agree with holding Meyer accountable.  
But if you believe Saban or Harbaugh know everything about the personal lives of everyone on their staff- I would suggest you are quite naive.
Well among other reasons, because the owner and author of the most popular buckeye site on the web (Ramzy) said it explicitly.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #708 on: August 22, 2018, 01:14:12 PM »
You need a better place for your crowbar. It's not a good look to keep piling on Courtney. Not just because it's unbecoming to pile on a victim but especially because she can be the most batshit crazy woman in Ohio and Zach would still have deserved to have been fired years ago. So you look bad piling on her AND doing so is not germane.
The mom said she saw Courtney try to run him over with a car.  Which would make him a victim, too.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #709 on: August 22, 2018, 01:21:45 PM »
The mom said she saw Courtney try to run him over with a car.  Which would make him a victim, too.
That's not relevant to his job status. Even if she attacked him one or plural times, he didn't have license to serially assault her. Even if she acted criminally, Zach did enough to long ago lose his job. Which is all that is germane to Urban. Why did he get his job in 2012 or keep it, at the very latest, after the assault allegations of 2015?
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #710 on: August 22, 2018, 01:31:04 PM »
That's not relevant to his job status. Even if she attacked him one or plural times, he didn't have license to serially assault her. Even if she acted criminally, Zach did enough to long ago lose his job. Which is all that is germane to Urban. Why did he get his job in 2012 or keep it, at the very latest, after the assault allegations of 2015?
We'll find out soon, but if I had to guess it was because both the police and domestic court looked at the situation but did nothing, leaving OSU with little info to come to any sort of conclusion.  Plus they had split up, which was a very good and important thing.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #711 on: August 22, 2018, 01:34:53 PM »
We'll find out soon, but if I had to guess it was because both the police and domestic court looked at the situation but did nothing, leaving OSU with little info to come to any sort of conclusion.  Plus they had split up, which was a very good and important thing.
That's the criminal burden of proof. Unlike the justice system, Urban was beholden to also be gravely concerned of new rumors. Further, even if he never heard other rumors, he is solely responsible for the environment he created. And if he never knew anything, but many other did, and a serial assaulter was permitted to hide and thrive as one of Urban's subordinates ... that's on Meyer, too.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #712 on: August 22, 2018, 01:35:08 PM »
You need a better place for your crowbar. It's not a good look to keep piling on Courtney. Not just because it's unbecoming to pile on a victim but especially because she can be the most batshit crazy woman in Ohio and Zach would still have deserved to have been fired years ago. So you look bad piling on her AND doing so is not germane.
Your lack of objectivity is ver unbecoming and not like you.    
Fact: Courtney claims she was abused 
fact:  her own mother says she was not, and she made it clear she would bring Urban down
Fact: Zach mom gives eyewitness accounts of Courtney getting drunk and starting physical altercations, and even trying to run him over
Fact: police never found a reason to arrest him, until the trespassing. 
Fact: Urban claims to have followed procedures- and that will be validated or disputed when the results of the investigation are revealed.  
It is only you in this debate who has the arrogance to say what you just said.  You heard the side of the story that is most appealing for the world you desire. 
Just because a person claims to be a victim does not mean they are, or that they are being honest.  
But you choose to take it as gospel, and completely rationalize away any other versions of what happened.  
I doubt anyone here is buying your fake outrage at me, nor does any person who has read my opinion think I am piling on the victim.   

All I have been trying to point out is: let’s see what the investigation uncovers.  

I am not assuming anything. I am simply saying there are several real possibilities besides the ONE you insist on— the one that says he beat her routinely, anyone who says otherwise is lying, Urban knew it and covered it up, and he created the environment that allowed Smith to act like a POS.  
So please- don’t give your self righteous and flippant comments.   It might work in politics but I am not buying it.  
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #713 on: August 22, 2018, 01:39:35 PM »
That's the criminal burden of proof. Unlike the justice system, Urban was beholden to also be gravely concerned of new rumors. Further, even if he never heard other rumors, he is solely responsible for the environment he created. And if he never knew anything, but many other did, and a serial assaulter was permitted to hide and thrive as one of Urban's subordinates ... that's on Meyer, too.
Domestic court does not have the responsibility of criminal burden of proof.  Further, they have to conclude he was a serial abuser.  Have there been such claims?  To my knowledge no one has talked to any of his other intimate partners about the issue, and no reports have been made about him by anyone else.

 

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