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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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MrNubbz

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #672 on: August 22, 2018, 09:32:09 AM »
If people who get arrested never get to be coaches, Michigan would have a different coach.
And a different Asst.Athletic Director :dink:
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #673 on: August 22, 2018, 09:39:21 AM »
How old are Courtney & Zach Smith's children.I can't imagine if they are school age they won't get this skeleton dragged out in front of them.I really.really hope/pray not - no kid should put up with that
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« Reply #674 on: August 22, 2018, 09:44:06 AM »
How old are Courtney & Zach Smith's children.I can't imagine if they are school age they won't get this skeleton dragged out in front of them.I really.really hope/pray not - no kid should put up with that
They are 8 and 6. It is too easy to find that. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #675 on: August 22, 2018, 09:54:29 AM »
Absolutely smashing BAB - you get a cookie

here is an Attorney's take on this shitstorm

ttps://www.reddit.com/r/OhioStateFootball/comments/99asso/a_lawyers_deep_dive_part_iii_how_brett_mcmurphys/

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #676 on: August 22, 2018, 10:30:41 AM »
Nice read Nubbzzzzzzz

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #677 on: August 22, 2018, 11:11:30 AM »
Regardless of the opinions on McMurphy I think it is clear that either Urban was blind or felt he needed to be loyal to Smith because of his grandfather.... OR....  Urbs is a hypocrite when it comes to behavior (meaning he has different rules for different people).   This, imo, should be the debate.

Anyone thinking Smith should still be coaching or McMurphy targeted OSU is wrong.   Smith is scum.
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« Reply #678 on: August 22, 2018, 11:13:53 AM »
So here’s a question. Let’s assume this goes the way we think. Within a few days, Urban is back coaching OSU. Will we feel the system worked?

Urban will have lost time with the team, but the actual punishment will be minimal. The university will have taken its time, made its judgement. Maybe there’s a great dunping of positive OSU evidence, though it’ll probably take some good questions to media to bring that out. Maybe not.

I guess at the end, will those inside the OSU camp see it as a virulent question coming up and being dealt with, or as an injustice of sorts that it happened at all? And those more prone to be skeptical of OSU, will there be a sense of closure in the right process having been completed?
I'm expecting some type of fine that becomes a donation.  I think there will be some promises going forward and new "policies".   I'm not sure what would be justice here as I don't see a clear answer. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #679 on: August 22, 2018, 11:17:39 AM »
I bet most of the discussion is about how to save face for OSU here.

I don't think that can be done, so perhaps they should just do whatever is right.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #680 on: August 22, 2018, 11:39:57 AM »
If people who get arrested never get to be coaches, Michigan would have a different coach.
Sure, if, then that. But that wasn't my if. Tolerating a serial abuser was my if.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #681 on: August 22, 2018, 11:43:08 AM »
Who cares if 2009 was common knowledge. If, as Urban says, proper reporting and protocol were followed, and, as he says, what was reported is different from what happened.  2009 has nothing to do with it, if you think it was a one time/ first time incident- as he indicated everyone believed.
 
Even in that case, it stops being a one-time/first-time incident as soon as more rumors pop up. And even if those new rumors are not substantiated, the 2009 event was serious enough that any good "zero tolerance for serial abuse" policy would fire him after the first post-2009 rumor. Instead, it required umpteen post-2009 rumors. Oh, **and** for it to go public and look really/super bad.
At this point, we should have very little faith that Zach Smith would have been fired even if the negative PR stain hadn't become intolerable for OSU.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #682 on: August 22, 2018, 11:50:06 AM »
Courtney’s mom,s current and up to date take do NOT corroborate Courtney’s take.   The texts from back then do, but how do we know those were not just spur of the moment emotional reactions- changed now that her mom has witnessed real situations ( as she says) were Zach was more trying to escape when she was drunk, and was the aggressor.
Lastly- nobody is claiming Zack is not a bad character.  Tim May went on Finebaum yesterday and clearly stated OSU was in the process of terminating Zach before McMurphy’s report came out, and also that the investigation already knew about the sex toys and affair with an OSU employee before McMurphy put that out.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/95485/columbus-dispatchs-tim-may-tells-paul-finebaum-he-wouldnt-be-surprised-if-urban-meyer-was-back-with-the-team-by  
All I said was that the texts corroborate the events. The ones from Courtney's mom establish that the mom believed Zach was a serial abuser. Full stop. The ones from Courtney are consistent with both she believing Zach is a serial abuser and he is essentially agreeing (certainly not denying). Full stop. Of course, none of these parties knew their texts would later become evidence. But I didn't call them proof. I called them corroborative. 
They are a piece of documentation consistent with all the most negative narratives about Zach.
You are trying surprisingly hard to make it seem Zach Smith was not a good guy and not an awful guy but a juuuuust good enough guy to definitely deserve his job. When talking with people outside of Ohio (and, for obvious reasons, let's exclude Michigan), that's going to be lonely for you.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #683 on: August 22, 2018, 11:51:42 AM »
I will not support him if he covered up, or lied, or failed to follow up as required. Period..
You forgot "Or if Urban Meyer's leadership permitted an environment in which a serial abuser could hide, be tolerated, or thrive." That one activates even if Meyer (unbelievably) never knew a thing. Because it's the boss's job to build a better environment than that.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #684 on: August 22, 2018, 11:53:53 AM »
So here’s a question. Let’s assume this goes the way we think. Within a few days, Urban is back coaching OSU. Will we feel the system worked?

Urban will have lost time with the team, but the actual punishment will be minimal. The university will have taken its time, made its judgement. Maybe there’s a great dunping of positive OSU evidence, though it’ll probably take some good questions to media to bring that out. Maybe not.

I guess at the end, will those inside the OSU camp see it as a virulent question coming up and being dealt with, or as an injustice of sorts that it happened at all? And those more prone to be skeptical of OSU, will there be a sense of closure in the right process having been completed?
It's, capital T, The question. I have to imagine it all depends on the report we see. Was the investigation exhaustive and logical? And what did it turn up that we don't already know?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #685 on: August 22, 2018, 11:55:33 AM »
Even it that case, it stops being a one-time/first-time incident as soon as more rumors pop up. And even if those new rumors are not substantiated, the 2009 event was serious enough that any good "zero tolerance for serial abuse" policy would fire him after the first post-2009 rumor. Instead, it require umpteen post-2009 rumors. Oh, **and** for it to go public.
At this point, we should have very little faith that Zach Smith would have been fired even if the negative PR stain hadn't become intolerable for OSU.
I think that's pretty speculative.  While I have never been a fan of Zach Smith, it isn't rare for organizations to take a closer look at things (1) when legal events occur (like arrests or charges) or (2) when the media is digging around.  Things became legal this year, and the media dug around this year, and voila he's fired.

 

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