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FearlessF · « **Reply #658 on:** August 21, 2018, 03:27:57 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2018, 12:48:32 PM

Agreed. However, I think it will begin to backfire on Urban whenever he steps back into that solemn voice, trying to let us know the better way to live, emphasizing he's the leader who knows the way. And he will do that. Because that's part of his recruiting spiel and way of reflecting on past seasons.

and he obviously should catch some flak for his hypocrisy. Should have all along.... 5 years from now it will have diminished, but hopefully a couple Michigan reporters will keep the memory refreshed

Roaddawg · « **Reply #659 on:** August 21, 2018, 03:31:12 PM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on August 21, 2018, 10:09:06 AM

Maybe...he's charged with criminal trespass, which is a 4th degree misdemeanor and carries a maximum 30 days in jail. The circumstances are odd, and I'm not sure a judge would be inclined to impose a jail sentence. In any event, my point is the criminal case is much narrower in scope than the protection order case. Nearly all of the stuff could come in under the protection order case.

And that they are already legally divorced, there is not $$$$$ option from him. Only chance at that is sell the movie rights, write a book, or go after Ohio State University, Urban Meyer, and whoever else she would like to try and include. She would probably get something, because that seems to be the way of settlements these days, but not near what people would think.
The whole legal aspect of those two is perplexing to me. I have witnessed some strange stuff, and from an outside view, this would be a nightmare for any Police Department.

Roaddawg · « **Reply #660 on:** August 21, 2018, 03:34:12 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 03:27:57 PM

and he obviously should catch some flak for his hypocrisy. Should have all along.... 5 years from now it will have diminished, but hopefully a couple Michigan reporters will keep the memory refreshed

Hopefully Jimmy Football will get jealous and try to one up Urban! Problem solved:)

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #661 on:** August 21, 2018, 04:23:19 PM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 03:27:57 PM

and he obviously should catch some flak for his hypocrisy. Should have all along.... 5 years from now it will have diminished, but hopefully a couple Michigan reporters will keep the memory refreshed

https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/2018-08-20-youre-blind-if-you-dont-question-brett-mcmurphys-motivation/
I don’t know, I think that’s an oversimplification. All these opinions but nobody knows what the investigation found.
I think many people who either live in Ohio or are Buckeye fans feel the same as I do which is- if he did not report what he should have reported or if he enabled somebody he really thought was having the domestic violence issues then he should be fired. On the other hand if they find that not only he reported everything but went further and tried to investigate police reports and get both parties versions of what happened, then I don’t think he did anything wrong and should be allowed to go on unpunished.
I think if you look at the type of people he is at least tried to recruit since he came from Florida and the severity with which he has punished people who did cross the line and most importantly if you talk to the families of the players who have come through Ohio State under him and the parents of those people that are there now, I think you’ll find over whelming support after this if he is vindicated.
The radio interview I attached is not an uncommon take as I have been hearing a lot of this If you’re trying to bury Zack Smith you’re beating a dead horse so why and all this personal stuff that clearly has nothing to do with Myer and whether or not he had or covered for domestic violence

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #662 on:** August 21, 2018, 06:48:45 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 21, 2018, 04:23:19 PM

https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/2018-08-20-youre-blind-if-you-dont-question-brett-mcmurphys-motivation/
I don’t know, I think that’s an oversimplification. All these opinions but nobody knows what the investigation found.
I think many people who either live in Ohio or are Buckeye fans feel the same as I do which is- if he did not report what he should have reported or if he enabled somebody he really thought was having the domestic violence issues then he should be fired.

That's close to how I feel. In order to have deserved his job, I think Urban will have had to have reported every instance of rumored abuse and will have had to run a tight ship that doesn't allow an abuser to keep his job and hide.

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 21, 2018, 04:23:19 PM

On the other hand if they find that not only he reported everything but went further and tried to investigate police reports and get both parties versions of what happened, then I don’t think he did anything wrong and should be allowed to go on unpunished.

One of the hardest questions to answer will always be "So,...why on earth did this guy not only get a job at OSU (he shouldn't have) but keep his job all the while?"
Eventually he was fired for cause, but why on Earth so late?

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #663 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:45:26 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2018, 06:48:45 PM

That's close to how I feel. In order to have deserved his job, I think Urban will have had to have reported every instance of rumored abuse and will have had to run a tight ship that doesn't allow an abuser to keep his job and hide.One of the hardest questions to answer will always be "So,...why on earth did this guy not only get a job at OSU (he shouldn't have) but keep his job all the while?"
Eventually he was fired for cause, but why on Earth so late?

Well you heard Meyer say that he found out that 2009, what happened was not what was reported. Must be something to that since Smith got hired at two more schools in between.
I would guess that the marriage turned into a big he said/ she said, with witnesses and police leaning more towards Zach’s version, fair or not. When he finally was arrested, he was fired. All that other garbage is clearly stuff Meyer or any coach would never tolerate, so there’s that.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #664 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:54:58 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 21, 2018, 08:45:26 PM

Well you heard Meyer say that he found out that 2009, what happened was not what was reported. Must be something to that since Smith got hired at two more schools in between.

Well, McMurphy was the first to report 2009. So that wasn't common knowledge. Clearly almost all of us missed it. And one sidelight that has become abundantly clear through this process is how skeptical we should be of the quality of some institutions' background checks.

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 21, 2018, 08:45:26 PM

I would guess that the marriage turned into a big he said/ she said, with witnesses and police leaning more towards Zach’s version, fair or not. When he finally was arrested, he was fired. All that other garbage is clearly stuff Meyer or any coach would never tolerate, so there’s that.

The texts from Courtney and her mom corroborate their stories. And the stories about his relationship with staffers, and behavior at OSU and the White House are consistent with the allegations of poor character. It's pretty futile to think anything leans towards Zach's version (if that version is that he was a good guy who never abused her).
Also, if he had been fired as soon as he was arrested, he'd have been released from his position at UF in 2009 and never hired at OSU. Instead, he wasn't fired until his presence looked bad. That his behavior was equally trashy before everyone knew clearly didn't matter. Because he was still there.

FearlessF · « **Reply #665 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:27:20 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 21, 2018, 04:23:19 PM

I don’t know, I think that’s an oversimplification. All these opinions but nobody knows what the investigation found.
I think many people who either live in Ohio or are Buckeye fans feel the same as I do

the vast majority are not buckeye fans
and even the vast majority of buckeye fans like their simplified opinions
I understand that no matter what comes of this, there will be those that support Urban.
I was referencing the vast majority that have already formed their simple opinion and will haunt Urban the remainder of his career

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #666 on:** August 22, 2018, 07:32:55 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2018, 08:54:58 PM

Well, McMurphy was the first to report 2009. So that wasn't common knowledge. Clearly almost all of us missed it. And one sidelight that has become abundantly clear through this process is how skeptical we should be of the quality of some institutions' background checks.The texts from Courtney and her mom corroborate their stories. And the stories about his relationship with staffers, and behavior at OSU and the White House are consistent with the allegations of poor character. It's pretty futile to think anything leans towards Zach's version (if that version is that he was a good guy who never abused her).
Also, if he had been fired as soon as he was arrested, he'd have been released from his position at UF in 2009 and never hired at OSU. Instead, he wasn't fired until his presence looked bad. That his behavior was equally trashy before everyone knew clearly didn't matter. Because he was still there.

Who cares if 2009 was common knowledge. If, as Urban says, proper reporting and protocol were followed, and, as he says, what was reported is different from what happened. 2009 has nothing to do with it, if you think it was a one time/ first time incident- as he indicated everyone believed.
Courtney’s mom,s current and up to date take do NOT corroborate Courtney’s take. The texts from back then do, but how do we know those were not just spur of the moment emotional reactions- changed now that her mom has witnessed real situations ( as she says) were Zach was more trying to escape when she was drunk, and was the aggressor.
Lastly- nobody is claiming Zack is not a bad character. Tim May went on Finebaum yesterday and clearly stated OSU was in the process of terminating Zach before McMurphy’s report came out, and also that the investigation already knew about the sex toys and affair with an OSU employee before McMurphy put that out.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/95485/columbus-dispatchs-tim-may-tells-paul-finebaum-he-wouldnt-be-surprised-if-urban-meyer-was-back-with-the-team-by

MaximumSam · « **Reply #667 on:** August 22, 2018, 07:36:56 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 21, 2018, 08:54:58 PM

Well, McMurphy was the first to report 2009. So that wasn't common knowledge. Clearly almost all of us missed it. And one sidelight that has become abundantly clear through this process is how skeptical we should be of the quality of some institutions' background checks.The texts from Courtney and her mom corroborate their stories. And the stories about his relationship with staffers, and behavior at OSU and the White House are consistent with the allegations of poor character. It's pretty futile to think anything leans towards Zach's version (if that version is that he was a good guy who never abused her).
Also, if he had been fired as soon as he was arrested, he'd have been released from his position at UF in 2009 and never hired at OSU. Instead, he wasn't fired until his presence looked bad. That his behavior was equally trashy before everyone knew clearly didn't matter. Because he was still there.

If people who get arrested never get to be coaches, Michigan would have a different coach.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #668 on:** August 22, 2018, 07:40:44 AM »

Quote from: FearlessF on August 21, 2018, 10:27:20 PM

the vast majority are not buckeye fans
and even the vast majority of buckeye fans like their simplified opinions
I understand that no matter what comes of this, there will be those that support Urban.
I was referencing the vast majority that have already formed their simple opinion and will haunt Urban the remainder of his career

I will not support him if he covered up, or lied, or failed to follow up as required. Period.
But if he did all of those things, I also will not hold any of this against him, as I think the Outrage is misplaced, and only directed at him for either bigger public issues or those who hate him because he wins.
The facts will be public- so let’s see what they are. Then we can all weigh in from an informed point of view instead of all of this questionable drama.
It is just like Tressel- 90% of what was reported was blatantly false. People piled on, stories of free cars and players involved that never were. Just fake outrage.we were talking about teenagers trading in items they OWNED for DISCOUNTS on tattoos.
I defended
Tressel until it was revealed he lied to the NCAA. I immmediately wanted him fired.
Let’s see what this investigation team has to say. It is an impressive array of highly accomplished people.

Temp430 · « **Reply #669 on:** August 22, 2018, 07:59:26 AM »

If they fire Urban they'll need to fire everyone on his staff who's wives knew, no? And maybe euthanize their pets too for good measure.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #670 on:** August 22, 2018, 08:14:57 AM »

So here’s a question. Let’s assume this goes the way we think. Within a few days, Urban is back coaching OSU. Will we feel the system worked?

Urban will have lost time with the team, but the actual punishment will be minimal. The university will have taken its time, made its judgement. Maybe there’s a great dunping of positive OSU evidence, though it’ll probably take some good questions to media to bring that out. Maybe not.

I guess at the end, will those inside the OSU camp see it as a virulent question coming up and being dealt with, or as an injustice of sorts that it happened at all? And those more prone to be skeptical of OSU, will there be a sense of closure in the right process having been completed?

MrNubbz · « **Reply #671 on:** August 22, 2018, 09:18:35 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 22, 2018, 07:40:44 AM

It is just like Tressel- 90% of what was reported was blatantly false. People piled on, stories of free cars and players involved that never were. Just fake outrage.we were talking about teenagers trading in items they OWNED for DISCOUNTS on tattoos.
I defended Tressel until it was revealed he lied to the NCAA. I immmediately wanted him fired.

Exactly I remember Bama Buckeye and myself seething at Tress for lying about something so trivial - but then he starts talking to the fans/general public like we were clueless rubes.Any sympathy for him then/there swirled the drain with the faithful.JMO - in many aspects that's why i don't like UFM sure he's successful but he'll look into the camera and say things for affect not accuracy

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