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Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #588 on:** August 18, 2018, 10:41:54 AM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 18, 2018, 09:47:13 AM

The people eager for Meyer to get punitive damages are part of the lynch mob-style, drag the most famous person with any connection to the actual problem down crowd.

Whether he should or should not have told someone, considering the situation, is a personal opinion thing. He's literally only guilty of lying to the cameras, which is something every coach on the planet has done.

The guy who is at immediate fault has lost his job and will likely never coach again, due to this hubbub. The fact that there is so much peripheral 'stuff' regarding Meyer is yet another bit of evidence of the larger issue of our society. Period.

I agree OAM, with one asterisk. If Meyer did not share info he had on this by following process/ protocol, in effect covering it up, I feel like he should be fired. Right now the evidence of whether he did or didn’t is not public.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #589 on:** August 18, 2018, 10:48:04 AM »

Quote from: SuperMario on August 18, 2018, 10:20:03 AM

A coach lying isn’t part of the problem of society because every coach lies? Odd take.

Meyer is involved because he made himself involved. He poured gas on the fire when he stood in a press conference and arrogantly tried to embarrass a reporter in the room by saying “who makes up a story like that?”

He has no one to blame but himself and his ego. He could have given a PC answer, but his pride bested him and consequences are not always pretty.

I actually agree for the most part. When he said that, I firmly believe that he had heard about it being an “arrest” for the first time, the day before, and since he had it thoroughly checked out back in 15 that’s what he was referring to.he had no way of knowing that McMurphy had altered his story by that time.
The reason I am so sure of that is he proved it by answering that question just a short while before, in public and in front reporters, and it was recorded by May of the dispatch. He openly acknowledged the incident and focused on the fact that when they checked into it there truly was nothing there per the police.
But to your point, he took an arrogant approach when answering in front of the big crowd just a short time later. All he had to say was what he said earlier. “ we looked into it in 2015. There was nothing to it for us to follow up on....no arrest. I don’t understand why it’s being reported otherwise now”

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #590 on:** August 18, 2018, 11:18:52 AM »

Quote from: SuperMario on August 18, 2018, 10:20:03 AM

A coach lying isn’t part of the problem of society because every coach lies? Odd take.

Meyer is involved because he made himself involved. He poured gas on the fire when he stood in a press conference and arrogantly tried to embarrass a reporter in the room by saying “who makes up a story like that?”

He has no one to blame but himself and his ego. He could have given a PC answer, but his pride bested him and consequences are not always pretty.

His error was not giving a throwaway answer to a question. LOCK HIM UP!

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #591 on:** August 18, 2018, 11:35:28 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on August 18, 2018, 06:51:55 AM

I don't see how it's relevant at all, at least in regards to domestic violence. Relevant to domestic violence might be a report about his past and present partners and whether he was violent towards them. Details on their lovemaking, not so much.

It speaks to his character.
I agree that this report doesn't fit in the bin of directly contradicting Zach's DV denial (to which the text messages with Courtney and her mom and the police reports fit).
Instead this fits in the "How deeply entrenched are Zach's habits of doing creepy or trashy things?" bin, which, in case the other evidence wasn't enough goes to diminish his trustworthiness when it comes to allegations of doing creepy or trashy things, stalking or assaulting Courtney, for example.
Another way to think about it, the idea that he doesn't deserve to be a coach becomes continually less surprising. So I guess this also goes to justice over his firing.

847badgerfan · « **Reply #592 on:** August 18, 2018, 11:44:31 AM »

I'm disliking this thread. The sooner the better, OSU. Get it done so we can talk football and shit.

I'm gonna make chili for the Badger game in 13 days.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #593 on:** August 18, 2018, 12:40:44 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 18, 2018, 08:33:41 AM

- he gets an OVI, but hides it from OSU.
- this all gets blown up by McMurphy, because he didn’t like Meyer deceiving people at Big Ten Media days.

These two things are very strange points.
It seems supremely unlikely one could hide an OVI from a program like that. He has to drive for that job. That means the school will need his driving record on an annual basis for the insurance they extend. There's not much chance no one notices that.
There's a certain victim mentality with the second one. The mean, mean reporter saw the coach deceiving people, set out to torch him. It got blown up because it was a small story that got big for any number of reasons, which are all sort of independent of an under-employed writer.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #594 on:** August 18, 2018, 12:50:20 PM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 18, 2018, 07:35:57 AM

Someone keeps feeding him more, lol. You mean the ONE person he talked to in his “ investigation” lol?
Look, I get why you don’t like him- but there seems to be 5 versions of this situation.
The alleged victim, and the 4 others, which all seem to dispute her side. ( the police, the mom, the other mom and the accused). And how you keep making this about the head coach is not credible. At least not to a person who truly care about the truth.

This is a fascinating part of this because I'd argue, in our hearts, we really usually don't want to know the truth.
In a post farther back, you lashed out at an "unbalanced" report, the balance of which can be discussed within the confines of journalistic balance and what balance means when someone's not talking at a later point. But we know the truth isn't balanced. If a pregnant woman got bounced off a wall, that it was charged or not has only a slight bearing on if it happened. Truth is something that did or didn't happen. They're both crazy and tie goes to this is overblown isn't a question of truth.
In the end, there are many truths we don't and won't know. So we fill in, often with our own biases or what we'd like it to be.
And in a larger sense, we really don't want truth. The truth is, large portions of the coaches and players we root for are truly unpleasant people. They are powerful, ultracompetitive and often came up in situations of being emotionally coddled and allow to get away with things. I doubt Zach Smith's boorish and fireable behavior is deeply rare (maybe rare to that complete degree). But we whitewash it because we like liking this sport, and thinking too hard about it can make that hard. The man who built my team to prominence was an enormous egomaniacal jerk, and his replacement was petulant, sometimes immature and always rumored to be making s drunken mess of himself. They made the team do the things I wanted and it was never so egregious, so I made peace with it. To a degree, lord knows we did with Urbs, we all do.

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #595 on:** August 18, 2018, 01:12:00 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on August 18, 2018, 10:27:51 AM

When someone isn’t capable debating the facts, they attack the opposition. Pathetic and childish response on your part.

This was only my second post in this thread. I knew what it would be, and stayed out of it. I'm just laughing at how you were whining and crying about not being able to post here anymore because of all the subtle jabs that the big mean OSU posters were taking at Michigan during the Hoke and Rich Rod years, and how you would never conduct your behavior in such a manner.
Enjoy your annual third place finish in the B1G East, assuming you can even pull that off (fourth place last year).

MrNubbz · « **Reply #596 on:** August 18, 2018, 01:27:35 PM »

Drain the swamp,unless Meyer can prove otherwise.Players getting in trouble repeatedly is one thing.I kind of hate Coaches doing the same.And this has way more to do than just Courtney,btw I've read enough to feel she's not as far removed from a Jezebel as some of grandstanders sucking off McMurphy think.Urbans narcissism and boorish arrogance is really giving the University a bad look.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #597 on:** August 18, 2018, 01:40:07 PM »

Quote from: Mdot21 on August 18, 2018, 12:27:39 AM

perfect tweet from long-time sports writer Matt Hayes...

Matt Hayes‏ @MattHayesCFB 6h6 hours ago

Sit back and let this marinate: Without McMurphy’s reporting, Zach Smith would still be the wide receiver coach at Ohio State. And it was “hard” for Urban Meyer to finally fire him — after McMurphy’s first story.
13 replies 46 retweets 152 likes

Evidently you and Matt Hayes both have your heads up your ass.Smith was fired because of tresspassing and violation of a restraining order.That happened before he broke any story.Does some homework before you repeat what some other schmuck says.Hayes should know better as supposedly he is being paid to do so

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #598 on:** August 18, 2018, 01:42:40 PM »

There must be something about this we all agree on. Let's cut Urban out of it for a second.

So: Zach Smith: does ANYONE think "justice" means he should have kept his job?
I'm thinking we at least agree the answer there is no. That - even excluding the "we have to fire you because of the bad press" angle - he should/could have been fired for cause a whole bunch of times with the information we now have.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #599 on:** August 18, 2018, 01:45:55 PM »

Quote from: MrNubbz on August 18, 2018, 01:40:07 PM

Evidently you and Matt Hayes both have your heads up your ass.Smith was fired because of tresspassing and violation of a restraining order.That happened before he broke any story.Does some homework before you repeat what some other schmuck says.He should know better as supposedly he is being paid to do so

That's not an accurate timetable. You could argue that this was just a coincidence, that McMurphy wasn't the cause^^, but within an hour of each of McMurphy's two Monday July 23 reports (the Monday of Big Ten Media Days, 24h or less before Urban speaks), OSU (a) said they were monitoring the allegations into Smith** and then after the second report that day, they (b) fired Smith within minutes.

In both cases, McMurphy's report came first and OSU's response came immediately after.

^^(I don't think it's a good argument though)
**("We are not going to comment at this time on the situation regarding Zach Smith. This is a personnel matter and we don’t typically discuss such matters publicly. We are continuing to monitor.")

MrNubbz · « **Reply #600 on:** August 18, 2018, 02:01:11 PM »

So you saying that's why he got canned?Because Courtney has previously sealed police reports when did McMurphy know as opposed to the OSU,because I heard about that incident before Big Media day

This from 11 Warriors

2018

MAY 12 – ZACH SMITH CHARGED WITH CRIMINAL TRESPASSING

Zach Smith charged with criminal trespassing at the home of Courtney Smith.

JULY 11 – STALKING AND HARASSMENT REPORT

Courtney Smith files a report that Zach Smith has been “relentlessly stalking” and “harassing” her, a report obtained by The Lantern reveals.

JULY 18 – ZACH SMITH APPEARS IN COURT

Zach Smith appears in court for a criminal trespassing charge.

According to an arrest record obtained by Eleven Warriors, police were dispatched to the home of Courtney Carano Smith, Zach Smith's ex-wife, around 8 p.m. on May 12. The report indicates that there was no forced entry and no suspected use of alcohol or drugs. Smith was charged with criminal trespassing, and has since pleaded not guilty.

JULY 20 – CIVIL PROTECTION ORDER FILED

Courtney Smith files a civil protection order against Zach Smith. In the document, Courtney states that Zach “would corner me in my laundry while groping me and pulling his pants down and begging for sex,” and describes hidden cameras she found in her home, which she said were used by Zach to surveil her, their children and her boyfriend, according to The Columbus Dispatch.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #601 on:** August 18, 2018, 03:12:59 PM »

The event that OSU first responded to that morning (Monday, July 23) was about the "aggravated assault on a pregnant female" arrest from Florida in 2009.
That was before Urban went to the podium.
It was an old story but never before publicly reported. Within an hour, OSU said they were monitoring the decision but wouldn't discuss it publicly. Later that day.
By the end of the day, 2015 became more widely circulated news. And OSU quickly fired Smith within 60 minutes of McMurphy's second report that day (still before Urban ever took the podium).

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