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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #518 on: August 12, 2018, 01:48:54 AM »
Side tangent, not to continue any ongoing debate, just to get to the bottom of a single detail: 
Did McMurphy even need a source? All of this began because he found publicly available documents (of the 2009 events in Florida and of the recent protection order granted to Courtney against Zach) that no one had ever reported before. Which he reported the Monday of Big Ten Media Days. Within an hour of that report Monday morning, OSU said that it was a staff issue and they were investigating. Later that day, McMurphy also reported the 2015 DV incident, and within minutes, Zach Smith was fired. The next day, Urban took the stand in Chicago and unintentionally gave the situation fuel, leading to the interviews and publishing of text messages that followed.
So the question is where among these steps would McMurphy need help? Most of it seems like pretty standard journalism -- just following one's nose; using documents to find more documents. If he needed a source, it would probably only have been regarding the 2009 events in Florida (the first documents he was able to get his hands on). But even those documents were publicly available (yet strangely never noticed...or deliberately neglected) and could have been stumbled into.
My guess is that he either had no initial source, or that he did have a source and that guy was either at UF, part of the UF beat, or in the Gainesville criminal justice system. In any event, I'd be quite surprised if Snook actually had insight about the source that either didn't exist or did but was presumably far from his network.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #519 on: August 12, 2018, 07:17:20 AM »
I don't see any problem with his reporting, other than the weird thing of him changing his story but not putting in a disclaimer about it.  I find that very weird.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #520 on: August 12, 2018, 10:02:31 AM »
At this rate, I’m feeling like Meyer is gaining momentum.

But I don’t believe that momentum is a real thing, 
You must not watch much football...
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #521 on: August 12, 2018, 03:31:56 PM »
I don't see any problem with his reporting, other than the weird thing of him changing his story but not putting in a disclaimer about it.  I find that very weird.
Maybe unusual. But the change was correct (in good faith). And Facebook leaves an official record of all edits. So it's not obfuscation. Plus, I'm guessing that journalists typical make edits and the editor adds that bracketed addendum to make note that edits have been made. In any event, it's not a sticking point.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #522 on: August 12, 2018, 03:34:03 PM »
You must not watch much football...
Actually, I am with BAB. I tend to think "momentum" is just an illusion that fits a convenient narrative in a sport that would be back and forth even if "momentum" *certainly* didn't exist.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #523 on: August 12, 2018, 04:26:05 PM »
Actually, I am with BAB. I tend to think "momentum" is just an illusion that fits a convenient narrative in a sport that would be back and forth even if "momentum" *certainly* didn't exist.
On an LSU board a few years ago, a bunch of us had a HUGE row about this.  I didn't participate much, only read the thread.  I started out more like "Of course, momentum is a real thing, how could you watch sports and not get that?" but after reading the pages of back and forth, well-reasoned opinions, I wound up more like "Eh....it's not real after all, more of a nebulous term that covers a wide range of other tangible factors that are too nuanced and complex to describe quickly or often, but the term itself is mainly vague and meaningless."  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #524 on: August 12, 2018, 05:47:43 PM »
You must not watch much football...
Momentum would be what? That good things just sort of compound on each other? Does that happen a lot in college football? It usually seems like things swing wildly, which could be momentum, but then that means momentum is broken and lost relatively often. At which point, I don’t know what it is. 
I think some teams ride emotional highs, but that’s often not a good thing. I never understand why coaches preach it so much, becuase bad momentum would compound just like good momentum. 
More often than not, it’s just a feeling. We can feel like Urby has momentum or not, but the only “momentum” that matters is behind closed doors. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #525 on: August 12, 2018, 06:40:33 PM »
Okay, let me try this....momentum is like....a random number generator.  Or the shuffle function on your ipod.  We often notice that against all odds, consecutive numbers come up or the only 2 songs out of a thousand play back-to-back, something like that, right?  Well that's how randomness works.


So with momentum, I believe when a few consecutive good or bad things happen to a team, they're affected by the perceived boost/slight in the corresponding way.  Whether you chalk it up to "the gods" or "it's just not our day" or "it's our lucky day" - yes, the reaction to the seemingly unlikely series of events influences the reactionary behavior going forward.  


ie - fumble recoveries are about a 50/50 thing.  But when your team loses 3 fumbles in a game...a-it's rare to fumble that many times in the first place, and b-to lose 3 in a row is even more unlikely....your team may overcompensate or simply lose their edge, motivationally speaking.  On the other hand, your team recovers 3 fumbles, you treat it like a gift from god and now have confidence, energy, and likely, a lead.


Believe me, I'm as big a stats guy as you'll find, but especially when it comes to these 20 year olds, momentum is a thing.  It's in the same boat as letdown games.  Whether it, in of itself, is a thing - the reaction to it makes it an actual thing.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #526 on: August 12, 2018, 06:42:38 PM »
side note - i recently learned that Apple changed their music shuffle function algorithm to make it less random, because of the complaints of the perceived problem of too many consecutive songs playing.  


People don't seem to understand what random actually is.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #527 on: August 12, 2018, 07:27:30 PM »
I didn't expect this angle but I can foresee our conversation of "momentum" oddly boil into a discussion of numerology. (Truly I mean no belief system disrespect) But whereas I didn't see it coming, this comparison is beginning to make sense. I think the two sides on momentum are similar to the two side on numerology, though momentum isn't as charged of an idea.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #528 on: August 12, 2018, 08:00:16 PM »
I can think momentum is legit and still not cater to it....think back to one of those years USC or Georgia "was the best team at the end of the year", but with 2 early losses.  Sorry, friend, you lost twice, tough shit.  They may very well be the best team on Dec. 1, but because of their losses, they won't be in a position to find out.  
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #529 on: August 12, 2018, 09:47:31 PM »
Herman and McMurphy denied it, but it appears a bunch of random Texas people started talking about Zach Smith in the days leading up to the report.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #530 on: August 13, 2018, 12:52:47 AM »
Herman and McMurphy denied it, but it appears a bunch of random Texas people started talking about Zach Smith in the days leading up to the report.
I wouldn't be surprised if McMurphy's reporting was catalyzed by increasingly diffuse hearsay. But I still have serious doubts that the rumors originated disconnected from Gainesville (in Texas let alone from Herman pointedly). With our limited info, I'd sooner believe that the rumors were getting sufficiently diffuse that they were showing up in many places with a Meyer protégé. That would make this alleged scuttlebutt in Austin a correlate of the reporting and not a cause.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #531 on: August 13, 2018, 01:08:18 AM »
Herman and McMurphy denied it, but it appears a bunch of random Texas people started talking about Zach Smith in the days leading up to the report.
what people? What are you referring to specifically?

 

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