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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Honestbuckeye

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #476 on: August 10, 2018, 07:09:07 AM »
I suppose it is fair to question the source and his experience and motives.  Maybe less credible if he is pro-OSU.

I would remind those few who truly want the truth that the McMurphy report was also directly anti Meyer with respect to the motives, and that his “ investigation” involved interviewing one person.

That one of these people is Zach’s mom deserves the obligatory grain of salt.  But that Courtney’s own mother validates is very powerful.

It does make you at least wonder on a few things.  There has not been many. Folks to step forward and claim knowledge of the situation, but those few who have have consistently painted the same picture.

The relationship was toxic, the couple BOTH consumed way too much alcohol, she often was verbally abusive and belligerent and showed up that way at team events, and that the police were callled anytime she got super mad- and got very familiar with that routine. They never found a preponderance of evidence to take further action.

So it is a murky situation to assess for the University.   A boatload of he said she said and no police action to back her story.

I have wondered throughout this situation, beyond proper reporting and protocol, and phone calls to get the police version, what is realistic to expect of an insanely busy and successful head coach at one of the premier football programs in the land.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #477 on: August 10, 2018, 07:12:38 AM »
Who is Jeff Snook and why is he also doing all of his reporting on Facebook?
McMurphy has no choice. Social media is the only option available under the noncompete clause of his ESPN contract.
Jeff Snook is a sportswriter who has written several books Ohio State football, according to 11 Warriors. 

From some of the articles on 11 Warriors and the O-Zone, it sounds like Zach Smith's mother and even Courtney Smith's mother, are standing by Zach's stories claiming that the red marks on her arms were due to her starting fights with Zach and then standing in the door not allowing him to leave. Their claim is that he would grab her by her arms, pick her up and set her aside so that he could leave. 

Now I know that Zach's mother would not be credible on her own, but to have Courtney's mother in agreement, doesn't bode well for Courtney's credibility. Zach's lawyer also has said that they want their day in court to bring some of this out. 

As of this time, I think there is much more to this story than we have been told. I am not so sure now that Zach is the only guilty party in this fiasco. I will withhold my judgement on this issue until more is know. But at this point, it appears that blaming Meyer for any of this is a stretch at best.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #478 on: August 10, 2018, 08:42:58 AM »
Who is Jeff Snook and why is he also doing all of his reporting on Facebook?
McMurphy has no choice. Social media is the only option available under the noncompete clause of his ESPN contract.
Quite frankly before all this blew up we could've asked the same of McMurphy.Not like because he was a 2nd string writer for the world wide leader it automatically qualifies him for a Pulitzer Prize.His gem was as one sided as as a Joseph Goebbels presser.I suspected there was much more to this story and as I said when the story broke I really hope this all goes to court.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #479 on: August 10, 2018, 09:57:48 AM »
Quite frankly before all this blew up we could've asked the same of McMurphy.Not like because he was a 2nd string writer for the world wide leader it automatically qualifies him for a Pulitzer Prize.His gem was as one sided as as a Joseph Goebbels presser.I suspected there was much more to this story and as I said when the story broke I really hope this all goes to court.
Disagree, there were a good number of people pissed off when he was on the list let go.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #480 on: August 10, 2018, 10:20:22 AM »
Maybe because they've(ESPN) been collectively swirling the drain as a credible source for a while I wasn't familiar with him.Right or wrong maybe the younger generations version of responsible journalism is different than mine.But I wouldn't think this one sided piece recently released is the barometer moving forward
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #481 on: August 10, 2018, 10:31:44 AM »
I wouldn't say McMurphy's investigation consisted of interviewing one person. He also reported many documents that no one else had yet noticed (or that reporters had noticed and willfully neglected to report). 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #482 on: August 10, 2018, 10:51:08 AM »
Like what?Because Courtney didn't start sounding off until her meal ticket dried up.Looking more and more like she is hardly a victim.If what's being reported in the last two days regarding Courtney's Mother/Mother in Law is remotely accurate well then Zach might just have a case.Haven't heard any chirping from McMurphy either,kind of strange considering 6-7 days ago this was looking like something 60 Minutes could be proud of
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #483 on: August 10, 2018, 11:27:14 AM »
Honestly, seems like everything is dropping into place, which means the investigation will probably turn up some huge revelation.   But still, we seem to have answers to nearly every question about the matter.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #484 on: August 10, 2018, 11:39:14 AM »
Disagree, there were a good number of people pissed off when he was on the list let go.
McMurphy has been a fairly well respected and recognized journalist for some time. He has had a number of news items and stories he has broken across college football, including 3-4 just in this offseason. 
We have people here citing an anonymous and random bucknuts poster attacking Courtney Smith, the least we can do is give a tiny bit of respect to one of the few decent journalists covering this sport.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #485 on: August 10, 2018, 11:45:41 AM »
Total bullshit Hail,the information being gathered doesn't sit well with  the narrative that you have accepted as fact.Jeff Snook isn't an "anonymous and random bucknuts poster" .Try looking at all evidence in equal light and leave rooting interests at the door
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #486 on: August 10, 2018, 12:05:00 PM »
so... in conclusion, if you're anti-OSU... Urby is the devil and OSU needs to fire him.   If you're pro-OSU, then the reports were misleading at best and Urbs is being unfairly portrayed/attacked.


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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #487 on: August 10, 2018, 12:13:42 PM »
I really don't care if tOSU parts ways with Urban.I do care that many had their suspicions regarding nothing more than a bad relationship that's being used to tar & feather the University.Specially when it appears the accuser may have  either initiated/fabricated/embellished some of problems
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #488 on: August 10, 2018, 12:15:25 PM »
Total bullshit Hail,the information being gathered doesn't sit well with  the narrative that you have accepted as fact.Jeff Snook isn't an "anonymous and random bucknuts poster" .Try looking at all evidence in equal light and leave rooting interests at the door
I wasn’t referencing Jeff Snook. Seems like a good journalist. Reminds me a bit of John Bacon.
I was referencing a poster or two on here citing her drinking problems and a number of other things only referenced by the bucknuts message board rube. It’s hard to scream #FakeNews about McMurphy, but then take a basement dweller hit and run message board guy as fact.
My point is McMurphy went with what he had at the time. When Urban said “I don’t know who would even create a story like this” at B1G media days, he more or less threw chum in shark infested waters. McMurphy had a bird in hand with Ms Smith. He leveraged that, asked for comment from Urban and Zach, then went forward. With each day that has passed since that more layers are uncovered by subsequent journalists. If you boil the ocean as a writer, you would never report on anything. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #489 on: August 10, 2018, 12:38:45 PM »
Reading about the issue of Administrative Leave, and the media is seeming to make a huge deal out of the fact that Urban is not allowed to contact any coaches, have access to his email nor even be on campus-DUH! he is suspended with pay.  If he could have access to all that, why place him on any sort of leave at all.  Do not know of any employer who places an employee on leave, paid or unpaid, and allows them to continue on in their role.  Must be slow in the sports world.

The other hot topic is starting to focus on Gene Smith and what his future may entail at tOSU.  IF Meyer does go, I can not see him lasting the investigation.  I don't think Urban will take a hit for tOSU like Tressel did, and Smith would be unlikely to survive losing two huge named coaches.

Also, the NCAA now seems to getting involved, which I am not sure why they think they have anything to do with this issue and hopefully it is just a formality in conducting a full investigation.  I did not agree with what the NCAA did to PSU, and hope they do not jump in this and mess it even further.

 

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