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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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MarqHusker

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #448 on: August 07, 2018, 08:00:18 PM »
I admit that I'm wrong to my wife all the time, doesn't mean I actually did anything wrong.

Of course the subject matter isn't DV.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #449 on: August 07, 2018, 08:21:08 PM »
I acknowledge those two parts, too.

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« Reply #450 on: August 07, 2018, 10:37:33 PM »
Interesting interview I listened to with Tim May from the Columbus Dispattch. Pretty fair and balanced guy I have respect for ( who FWIW-has no idea how all of this turns out).

He confirmed what I suspected all along- that when Meyer answered that fateful question about the 2015 incident- at Big Ten Media days, he was specifically referring to the just released info that Smith was arrested for a felony DV.  

May said they ( he and at least one other media member) caught Meyer getting off an elevator earlier that day before he spoke to general media.  May asked Meyer about he report from McMurphy.  He said Meyer openly acknowledged awareness of the incident, and further said he had his people reach out to the Powell police to get more details. Meyer said they gave them nothing.  Police basically indicated there was nothing to see here.   Meyer wondered why would someone now say otherwise.

So clearly, later during the Big Ten Media gathering-having already acknowledged awareness to several reporters in the room, when he was asked that question he clearly was specifically referring to the new report ( which coincidentally got changed to reflect more accurately the no charges, not felony). He even used the same language. “There was nothing there.”

That’s why, contrary to what is being discussed across the media, his statement on Friday does not say he is sorry for lying..it simply says he did not intend to deceive.  In fact, and hate me all you want, I am not sure I could say he did lie.

Furthermore, when he says he was not prepared for those questions, again- he was not prepared for a story that just came out, likely well after he and OSU DID prepare him for what they thought the questions would be.

The more I learn the less I think he did anything wrong.  If he has the discretion to hire/ fire to some degree, I can certainly be critical of his judgement.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #451 on: August 07, 2018, 10:47:28 PM »
his words at the Big Ten median days at the podium aren't going to cause him grief

those can be explained away by his statement later
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« Reply #452 on: August 08, 2018, 09:05:17 AM »
Interesting interview I listened to with Tim May from the Columbus Dispattch. Pretty fair and balanced guy I have respect for ( who FWIW-has no idea how all of this turns out).

He confirmed what I suspected all along- that when Meyer answered that fateful question about the 2015 incident- at Big Ten Media days, he was specifically referring to the just released info that Smith was arrested for a felony DV.  
I listened to this interview, and then tried to read more about this part. I think if I was his boss, I'd go insane on him. 
The guy literally has a key anecdote, one that would endear him to Buckeyes fans no less, and he drops it on a random postcast. The Dispatch literally has a story of what you need to know about the situation, and THAT PART ISN'T IN IT. 

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« Reply #453 on: August 08, 2018, 10:14:01 AM »
B.A.B. - BELIEVE ME,not all Buckeye Fans are endeared to or enamored with him.After reading as much as I care to on this saga I believe Urban stays.With the University,program and fans taking a drubbing nationally - which I don't like.And it won't be long before Meyer will be standing in front of a microphone lecturing the rest of us with his life lessons spiel like we're a bunch of contemptible little jerks who don't even deserve the privilege of his soulful,sparkling sermon

But for just for not having a prepared statement on a fired coach.When a player gets into trouble there is a prepared statement on the trouble.Yet this was much bigger than a weekly presser.And much bigger than a kid getting in trouble.With a coach who's arrogance & salary is much bigger than most NCAA coaches.My wish is that the Meyer's just go away with their chests of baubles already procured
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #454 on: August 08, 2018, 10:43:10 AM »
B.A.B. - BELIEVE ME,not all Buckeye Fans are endeared to or enamored with him.After reading as much as I care to on this saga I believe Urban stays.With the University,program and fans taking a drubbing nationally - which I don't like.And it won't be long before Meyer will be standing in front of a microphone lecturing the rest of us with his life lessons spiel like we're a bunch of contemptible little jerks who don't even deserve the privilege of his soulful,sparkling sermon

But for just for not having a prepared statement on a fired coach.When a player gets into trouble there is a prepared statement on the trouble.Yet this was much bigger than a weekly presser.And much bigger than a kid getting in trouble.With a coach who's arrogance & salary is much bigger than most NCAA coaches.My wish is that the Meyer's just go away with their chests of baubles already procured
I meant the writer could build some credit with the lunatic fringe. 
But I see we're kinda close on most of this. I'd make a slight caveat. Salary much bigger than most coaches. Ego, I don't know he's too far from the pack. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #455 on: August 08, 2018, 10:48:46 AM »
I was referring to Urbz not Zach - who wasn't hurting BTW either
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #456 on: August 08, 2018, 12:49:04 PM »
When taking "marital problems" generally, I think that's true. Though I still expect that manadatory reporters are trained/expected to even report *rumors* of domestic violence, even without arrest or criminal charge, just in case.
FWIW:
My wife is a counselor in Ohio and thus is a mandated reporter.  She told me that DV is NOT one of the things she is mandated to report.  In fact, in her case, she is specifically prohibited from reporting it because of the confidentiality for her clients.  
Things that she IS required to report include:
  • Child abuse
  • Elder abuse
  • Abuse of the disabled
  • Suicidal intent or actions
  • Homicidal intent or actions
That might not be a complete list (I'm not the mandated reporter, she is) but let me repeat the DV is NOT on the list.  

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #457 on: August 08, 2018, 12:54:58 PM »
DV is not on her list. Meyer's contract has language including "Intimate violence." And I've read lawyer opinions that DV likely qualifies, if not fully stands in, for that terminology. Of course what those words mean can still be a fair conversation for this message board to rehash.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #458 on: August 08, 2018, 01:18:32 PM »
DV is not on her list. Meyer's contract has language including "Intimate violence." And I've read lawyer opinions that DV likely qualifies, if not fully stands in, for that terminology. Of course what those words mean can still be a fair conversation for this message board to rehash.
I agree on that.  I was specifically replying to the "mandated reporters" in the prior post because that has a particular legal meaning, at least in Ohio.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #459 on: August 08, 2018, 01:20:45 PM »
Just to add it to the record -- This is the new paragraph 4.1 (e) of Meyer's extension:
Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ... For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place.
Another new paragraph expresses that failure to follow this rule could void the contract.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #460 on: August 08, 2018, 01:43:10 PM »
Just to add it to the record -- This is the new paragraph 4.1 (e) of Meyer's extension:
Coach shall promptly report to Ohio State's Title IX Athletics any known violations of Ohio State's Sexual Misconduct Policy (including, but not limited to, sexual harassment, sexual assault, sexual exploitation, intimate violence and stalking) that involve any student, faculty or staff or that is in connection with a university sponsored activity or event. ... For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place.
Another new paragraph expresses that failure to follow this rule could void the contract.
Not trying to justify not reporting (if he didn't), but all of those terms are in the context of Sexual Misconduct. Maybe I am not informed as to where domestic violence falls under, but I won't think it falls under Sexual misconduct.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #461 on: August 08, 2018, 02:18:41 PM »
We are getting caught in the minutia of mandated reporter language. I think he is ok on the legal side. I also dont think he is going down for lying to the media. That opens Pandora's box with many coaches. Urban might want to paint over the wall of program values however. The top two on that wall are Honesty and Treat Women with Respect. It's tough to explain the coaching staff failing on the program's #1 and #2 core values.



This has been said before but the investigative group and the University President have to determine what details he knew about Zach Smith, how much was shared with the University, and what his management was of Zach Smith along the way. This includes going back to 2009. Did he tell the University his history when he chose to hire him? Why did he have his contract renewed multiple times? Zach Smith wasn't convicted, that much we know; but why was the program and University exposed to so much risk, especially when assistant coaches are fired everyday for things as simple as calling the wrong play. UM has probably sent a few coaches packing in his career.

I may be wrong, but I don't see a suspension coming. For non NCAA violations, it is hard to find a Power Five head coach getting an in season game suspension. Just my opinion, but I suspect he is either reinstated or gone for good in the next couple weeks. A suspension would be a cop-out. 

 

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