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Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #434 on:** August 07, 2018, 12:52:27 PM »

Quote from: Roaddawg on August 07, 2018, 12:41:18 PM

Why would the 09 incident matter to tOSU, he was in Florida at the time and I would guess that a background was preformed on Smith when he was hired, if they did not short cut things because of Bruce, but still, nothing to with tOSU in 2018.

Bringing a "guy with this kind of history" into OSU and Urban knowing about that history probably required full reporting of it before Zach's hire (likely while the university vetted him - in case their vet and background checks came up incomplete with information Urban did have).

SuperMario · « **Reply #435 on:** August 07, 2018, 12:58:38 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 12:52:27 PM

Bringing a "guy with this kind of history" into OSU and Urban knowing about that history probably required full reporting of it before Zach's hire (likely while the university vetted him - in case their vet and background checks came up incomplete with information Urban did have).

This.

SuperMario · « **Reply #436 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:02:19 PM »

Quote from: Roaddawg on August 07, 2018, 12:47:45 PM

Exactly, and that whole issue is still perplexing to me! I am not sure how Ohio operates, but I know here in Indiana, DV was not treated with kid gloves. I responded to many calls for service, and in some cases BOTH parties where arrested and went to jail. The prosecutor I worked for filed charges regardless if both parties cooperated or not, especially if there were children in the household. That did not mean jail time, often it was a court ordered counseling requirements and DFC visits.

You do have real life experiences, more so than anyone on this board I would imagine. I have also read some in the legal community sharing similar experiences. What's difference and what was different in the PSu case is that you're dealing with a powerhouse football program and the reporting and handling of events involving a member of the coaching staff would be handled different.
Again, don't read that as an OSU problem. I'm quite confident that if problems came up with someone on Bo's staff, the police went straight to Bo to handle it quietly. It's simply that times have changed so much in the last few years that now so much of this becomes public so quickly.
This is honestly a fascinating situation.

Roaddawg · « **Reply #437 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:04:18 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 12:52:27 PM

Bringing a "guy with this kind of history" into OSU and Urban knowing about that history probably required full reporting of it before Zach's hire (likely while the university vetted him - in case their vet and background checks came up incomplete with information Urban did have).

If they came up incomplete, with or without Meyer's input, then they need a new compliance/background investing procedure. No different than hiring Kevin Wilson!

Roaddawg · « **Reply #438 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:12:11 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on August 07, 2018, 01:02:19 PM

You do have real life experiences, more so than anyone on this board I would imagine. I have also read some in the legal community sharing similar experiences. What's difference and what was different in the PSu case is that you're dealing with a powerhouse football program and the reporting and handling of events involving a member of the coaching staff would be handled different.
Again, don't read that as an OSU problem. I'm quite confident that if problems came up with someone on Bo's staff, the police went straight to Bo to handle it quietly. It's simply that times have changed so much in the last few years that now so much of this becomes public so quickly.
This is honestly a fascinating situation.

I agree Mario, someone else posted something to the same accord, but you are correct, in this day and age, things can not be swept under the rug, regardless the program, like they used to be, and the PSU case shows us how it used to be done. That situation would not have unfolded like it did in today's world, regardless the Coach, or program might. Take a look at the happenings at many of these schools and all the big name coaches that have went away. Information is way to easy to get, verify and send out! And I won't even bring up the civil pay outs involved.

ELA · « **Reply #439 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:16:48 PM »

Quote from: SuperMario on August 07, 2018, 01:02:19 PM

You do have real life experiences, more so than anyone on this board I would imagine. I have also read some in the legal community sharing similar experiences. What's difference and what was different in the PSu case is that you're dealing with a powerhouse football program and the reporting and handling of events involving a member of the coaching staff would be handled different.
Again, don't read that as an OSU problem. I'm quite confident that if problems came up with someone on Bo's staff, the police went straight to Bo to handle it quietly. It's simply that times have changed so much in the last few years that now so much of this becomes public so quickly.
This is honestly a fascinating situation.

Absolutely, and I think a lot of these guys are relics of that mentality, that I truly believe they are just doing things they way they've always been done. They either give that answer and are so insulated by the big time college athletics world that they don't know why it doesn't fly, or they know it won't fly, but don't really have any other answer, because that's the truth. As I've said, that's where I suspect Izzo falls too. The police investigated, declined to press charges, I've done all I had to do. That rubber stamp from the police was good enough for a long time to give the coaches their green light to proceed.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #440 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:22:17 PM »

Quote from: Roaddawg on August 07, 2018, 01:04:18 PM

If they came up incomplete, with or without Meyer's input, then they need a new compliance/background investing procedure. No different than hiring Kevin Wilson!

Not necessarily. This point is essentially about the Venn Diagram of "What Urban knows" and "What is in the background check." It's possible that Urban didn't know anything that wasn't already in the background check. In that case, he might still be required to report his tidbits (as a formality), but you're right that it wouldn't actually matter in the larger scheme.

On the other hand, if Meyer did know something beyond what's in the background check, perhaps because his and Zach's personal relationship gave him extra insight, then Urban would probably be required to report that and it in the larger scheme it would matter more (could plausibly be the difference between hire/no-hire).

Roaddawg · « **Reply #441 on:** August 07, 2018, 01:52:09 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 01:22:17 PM

Not necessarily. This point is essentially about the Venn Diagram of "What Urban knows" and "What is in the background check." It's possible that Urban didn't know anything that wasn't already in the background check. In that case, he might still be required to report his tidbits (as a formality), but you're right that it wouldn't actually matter in the larger scheme.

On the other hand, if Meyer did know something beyond what's in the background check, perhaps because his and Zach's personal relationship gave him extra insight, then Urban would probably be required to report that and it in the larger scheme it would matter more (could plausibly be the difference between hire/no-hire).

You would think that, however, and I don't know how deep of a background they conduct, or if you have ever had to go through an in depth background check, but from personal experiences, they are very detailed and its hard to disguise information from a good background investigation. Be an interesting investigative report to see just how deep they go on hiring a coach. If its anything like the NFL does on future players, its pretty deep and very thorough. A friend of mine conducted background investigations for the Colts, and having been personally been thorough backgrounds on the local, State and Federal level (I was shocked that the Federal investigator tracked down my HS Football coaches, I did not even provide information relating to that, and asked questions), its hard to see any information relating to this incident going unnoticed.

TyphonInc · « **Reply #442 on:** August 07, 2018, 04:52:57 PM »

Quote from: Temp430 on August 07, 2018, 07:27:59 AM

It will be interesting to see who all gets sacrificed to the mob. Lots of people have skin on the line. If Urban reported up what he knew as he said on Friday they may have a hard time firing him for cause. So, it would cost The OSU around $40 million to fire him. That's a lot of cash for a sacrificial cow.

I feel this is the 3rd time in this thread I've corrected this. The Powell police report went straight to Gene Smith, he reported it down to Urban and called Zach Smith back from a recruiting trip. There is no Urban didn't report it, his bossed called him in.

FearlessF · « **Reply #443 on:** August 07, 2018, 04:56:52 PM »

well technically, Urban didn't report it

perhaps Urban knew about it before the police did or at least before the police took it to Gene Smith

TyphonInc · « **Reply #444 on:** August 07, 2018, 04:59:56 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 12:33:44 PM

Given the 2009 public record and Zach's published texts with Courtney admitting to strangling her and assorted abuses, the proceedings really don't even require diving into whether Courtney is unreliable or has bad motives. Which is good for us, because that crutch is overused and ugly.

Just a technicality here (I'm still in the camp that Zach Smith is POS): Saying your sorry legally is not considered an admission of guilt.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #445 on:** August 07, 2018, 05:22:54 PM »

Quote from: TyphonInc on August 07, 2018, 04:59:56 PM

Just a technicality here (I still in the camp Zach Smith is POS): Saying your sorry legally is not considered an admission of guilt.

That's fair. And I'm only somewhat serious when I ask this distinction, what if the person you are alleged to have abused says:
"Think about the past...think back to the cheating the lies and picking me up by my neck strangling me in Punta Cana and at our place in April. The abuse got worse bc u couldn't stand me catching u in ur lies."
and your first response is:
"I know!!!!!" (hopefully I transcribed the correct number of exclamation points there)

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1025500090578939904/photo/1

FearlessF · « **Reply #446 on:** August 07, 2018, 05:33:27 PM »

admitting to strangling someone isn't saying you're sorry. It's an admission of guilt

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #447 on:** August 07, 2018, 07:00:08 PM »

Of course it is technically possible to fabricate an iPhone screen of text messages. Though I'd call that possibility meaningfully less credible than McMurphy at this point.

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