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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #420 on: August 07, 2018, 09:47:09 AM »
McMurphy reported yesterday that Courtney's lawyer has not (yet) been contacted by the university or its recently assembled investigators. Hopefully only that's a matter of timing and will be corrected very soon.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #421 on: August 07, 2018, 10:21:57 AM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 09:47:09 AM
McMurphy reported yesterday that Courtney's lawyer has not (yet) been contacted by the university or its recently assembled investigators. Hopefully only that's a matter of timing and will be corrected very soon.
Also interesting he said she had made concerted efforts to press charges and never been arrested for an OVI. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #422 on: August 07, 2018, 10:37:26 AM »
You either press charges or you don't,that statement would Imply that a Police Dept and maybe a Prosecuting Attorney are complicit.The hits just keep on coming - pun not intended,hell the way this case is going - ya it is
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #423 on: August 07, 2018, 10:47:20 AM »
I suspect a distraught spouse could initially say she was pressing charges and a couple hours later say she wasn't.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #424 on: August 07, 2018, 10:56:36 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on August 07, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
Maybe it wasn't required to report rumors of marital problems.
As a practical matter I can't imagine anyone being required to report "rumors of marital problems".  
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #425 on: August 07, 2018, 11:18:04 AM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on August 07, 2018, 10:56:36 AM
As a practical matter I can't imagine anyone being required to report "rumors of marital problems".  
When taking "marital problems" generally, I think that's true. Though I still expect that manadatory reporters are trained/expected to even report *rumors* of domestic violence, even without arrest or criminal charge, just in case.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #426 on: August 07, 2018, 12:17:07 PM »
Quote from: SuperMario on August 07, 2018, 10:21:57 AM
Also interesting he said she had made concerted efforts to press charges and never been arrested for an OVI.
True.  She was pulled over 3 Times for driving very erratically- and each time blamed it on being upset about Zach, or being chased by him.  
It will be interesting to see if the standards of presumption of innocence will be equally applied to Zach and Courtney- as it relates to “was not charged”.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #427 on: August 07, 2018, 12:33:44 PM »
Given the 2009 public record and Zach's published texts with Courtney admitting to strangling her and assorted abuses, the proceedings really don't even require diving into whether Courtney is unreliable or has bad motives. Which is good for us, because that crutch is overused and ugly.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #428 on: August 07, 2018, 12:37:08 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 07, 2018, 12:17:07 PM
True.  She was pulled over 3 Times for driving very erratically- and each time blamed it on being upset about Zach, or being chased by him.  
It will be interesting to see if the standards of presumption of innocence will be equally applied to Zach and Courtney- as it relates to “was not charged”.
Has that actually been reported? Or is anonymous BuckNuts site poster now being cited as someone legitimate? He provided no documentation with any of his claims that I saw. Just that a good buddy text him some info.
He threw a bunch of random stuff at a wall related to the victims five days ago, and then he disappeared from the earth. I suppose his time might have been occupied making signs for the rally yesterday.:57:
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #429 on: August 07, 2018, 12:39:26 PM »
Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 07, 2018, 12:33:44 PM
Given the 2009 public record and Zach's published texts with Courtney admitting to strangling her and assorted abuses, the proceedings really don't even require diving into whether Courtney is unreliable or has bad motives. Which is good for us, because that crutch is overused and ugly.
Translation:  not being charged does not mean innocence.   And I agree. 
Also 2009 is not really at issue.  It happened. It was acknowledged and reported. 
At issue is the 2015 incident.   What actually happened, was it reported, and how did false descriptions of it by a reporter and public? What if anything was done by the University to further investigate it, and so on   
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #430 on: August 07, 2018, 12:41:18 PM »
Quote from: SuperMario on August 07, 2018, 08:20:13 AM
I think for obvious reasons, OSU is trying hard to make a case where Meyer is not that cow. If they come to the conclusion that he should be that cow, it will be interesting to see if the 2009 incident was or was not disclosed to oSU and Meyer’s part in that.
My gut tells he he’s still coaching at the end of 2018z
Why would the 09 incident matter to tOSU, he was in Florida at the time and I would guess that a background was preformed on Smith when he was hired, if they did not short cut things because of Bruce, but still, nothing to with tOSU in 2018.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #431 on: August 07, 2018, 12:47:15 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 07, 2018, 12:17:07 PM
True.  She was pulled over 3 Times for driving very erratically- and each time blamed it on being upset about Zach, or being chased by him.  
It will be interesting to see if the standards of presumption of innocence will be equally applied to Zach and Courtney- as it relates to “was not charged”.
Was this validated by anyone? I don't think it was.
And I'm much more prone to change the standard due to one of the individuals being an abuser and another the abused. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #432 on: August 07, 2018, 12:47:45 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 07, 2018, 12:39:26 PM
Translation:  not being charged does not mean innocence.   And I agree.
Also 2009 is not really at issue.  It happened. It was acknowledged and reported.
At issue is the 2015 incident.   What actually happened, was it reported, and how did false descriptions of it by a reporter and public? What if anything was done by the University to further investigate it, and so on  
Exactly, and that whole issue is still perplexing to me!  I am not sure how Ohio operates, but I know here in Indiana, DV was not treated with kid gloves.  I responded to many calls for service, and in some cases BOTH parties where arrested and went to jail.  The prosecutor I worked for filed charges regardless if both parties cooperated or not, especially if there were children in the household.  That did not mean jail time, often it was a court ordered counseling requirements and DFC visits. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #433 on: August 07, 2018, 12:48:39 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 07, 2018, 12:39:26 PM
At issue is the 2015 incident.   What actually happened, was it reported, and how did false descriptions of it by a reporter and public? What if anything was done by the University to further investigate it, and so on   
Those are no doubt at issue. 
This next part is different than my last reason for bringing up 2009 (or scattered other rumors of DV between then and now), but also at issue is (1) whether Meyer also reported 2009 and all other rumored events he heard and (2) if all events, rumored and documented, were reported, how did Urban and Gene interact about them and did it go any further than a discussion between them. And what is the University's standard for how far it should have gone.
If all of that checks out as per guidelines and contract, Meyer is safe.
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