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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #406 on: August 06, 2018, 08:47:58 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 06, 2018, 08:41:00 PM
Sorry FF just repeating what some peeps at the World Wide Leader said Saturday.Anyway if tOSU is going to get a black eye I'd prefer a Pirate with a patch(Leach) to a Pope(Urban) - with a Pirate at least you know what ya have
This isn't to rag on Urban but to brag on Leach: that's so true man.
And I've been wanting Leach to come to the Big Ten for a looong time. His candor and style is so good for the game.
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« Reply #407 on: August 06, 2018, 09:11:31 PM »
Seriously that's exactly who I wanted in 2011.Even went over to the Big 12 Board and discussed it.Got a lot of flack for being a loose cannon - but what you see is what you get,I like that.Besides I believe he has a law degree so there's that.Get a good DC and Leach could open a can of whoop ass with top 10 talent
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« Reply #408 on: August 06, 2018, 09:19:26 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on August 06, 2018, 08:41:00 PM
Sorry FF just repeating what some peeps at the World Wide Leader said Saturday.Anyway if tOSU is going to get a black eye I'd prefer a Pirate with a patch(Leach) to a Pope(Urban) - with a Pirate at least you know what ya have
sorry, I should be on the world wide leader
I like the Pirate
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #409 on: August 06, 2018, 09:30:33 PM »
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/95015/powell-police-chief-explains-changes-in-offense-reports-says-zach-smith-was-never-arrested-in-2015

Powell Police clarify police reports.

Allegedly- the only person who has seen one with the “arrest” box checked is McMurphy, but he has yet to produce it.  
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #410 on: August 06, 2018, 09:42:42 PM »
So let me get this straight,McMurphy,Anonymous Redditt poster,Urban,Z.Smith maybe C.Smith and Shelley Meyer and maybe even the cops are all lying?well if football doesn't pan out they can always go to work in the House or Senate.Why lie like that?Unless of course it's to the IRS
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #411 on: August 06, 2018, 09:48:28 PM »
McMurphy,Anonymous Redditt poster,Urban,Z.Smith, C.Smith,  the cops, and maybe Shelley Meyer are all in agreement that there was an incident of DV in 2015.

Urban said there was nothing there, but reported it to the proper folks in the Athletic department.  there's where the questions start
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #412 on: August 06, 2018, 09:56:23 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 06, 2018, 09:30:33 PM
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/95015/powell-police-chief-explains-changes-in-offense-reports-says-zach-smith-was-never-arrested-in-2015

Powell Police clarify police reports.

Allegedly- the only person who has seen one with the “arrest” box checked is McMurphy, but he has yet to produce it.  
That story was interesting and informative. I have a hard time locking in on what it proved, but it did provide a more interesting picture.
I also scrolled to the comments and man do I regret it.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #413 on: August 06, 2018, 10:10:56 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on August 06, 2018, 09:48:28 PM
McMurphy,Anonymous Redditt poster,Urban,Z.Smith, C.Smith,  the cops, and maybe Shelley Meyer are all in agreement that there was an incident of DV in 2015.

Urban said there was nothing there, but reported it to the proper folks in the Athletic department.  there's where the questions start
"Eleven Warriors obtained two offense reports from Powell Police regarding the incident – one from 2015 and the one that was also sent to McMurphy on July 24 – neither of which indicated that Zach was arrested. "

The cops didn't arrest Z.Smith for domestic violence,if they agreed then supposedly by state law they have to go ahead and make an arrest even if the victim protests or recants.That's at least what I have read.He was arrested in May however
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #414 on: August 07, 2018, 07:14:20 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on August 06, 2018, 09:56:23 PM
That story was interesting and informative. I have a hard time locking in on what it proved, but it did provide a more interesting picture.
I also scrolled to the comments and man do I regret it.
Well, it was originally reported that Smith was arrested on felony domestic violence charges, and obviously that is false.  Seems relevant to allegations that Urbs lied to everyone by denying it happened.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #415 on: August 07, 2018, 07:27:59 AM »
It will be interesting to see who all gets sacrificed to the mob.  Lots of people have skin on the line.  If Urban reported up what he knew as he said on Friday they may have a hard time firing him for cause.  So, it would cost The OSU around $40 million to fire him.  That's a lot of cash for a sacrificial cow.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #416 on: August 07, 2018, 07:51:09 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on August 07, 2018, 07:14:20 AM
Well, it was originally reported that Smith was arrested on felony domestic violence charges, and obviously that is false.  Seems relevant to allegations that Urbs lied to everyone by denying it happened.
That might be the first obvious thing in all of this. It's weird. The cops say no arrest, then kind of acknowledge saying there was an arrest in the paperwork. Then there's the part clarifying that an arrest either happens if the cops see the abuser actively laying hands on someone or when a prosecutor feels it can push a case fully through (a tall order to say the least). 
We know he said, 'there was nothing,' even after he got the phone call. So because there was no arrest, based on the standards above, there's nothing? Maybe, but again, it seems fuzzy, thus I'm not locking onto anything, preferring to wait it out.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #417 on: August 07, 2018, 07:54:27 AM »
Going back to the media theme for a second, it was interesting to see the signs at that OSU rally.

So many mad at ESPN. ESPN didn't report this story. ESPN in fact held off reporting it for hours. I'm sure some talking heads said some bombastic things, but with the volume of talk and heads they have, that's almost assured for any issue. Yet the ESPN fake news was a point of contention from some folks (and the SEC?)

It points to this essential truth. People want to see something larger and vague to be mad at. ESPN has long been a crystallizing force for that. We see something we dislike, and that's what sticks with us. What made us mad becomes the whole thing, and we seem to like to get mad. 
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #418 on: August 07, 2018, 08:20:13 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on August 07, 2018, 07:27:59 AM
It will be interesting to see who all gets sacrificed to the mob.  Lots of people have skin on the line.  If Urban reported up what he knew as he said on Friday they may have a hard time firing him for cause.  So, it would cost The OSU around $40 million to fire him.  That's a lot of cash for a sacrificial cow.
I think for obvious reasons, OSU is trying hard to make a case where Meyer is not that cow. If they come to the conclusion that he should be that cow, it will be interesting to see if the 2009 incident was or was not disclosed to oSU and Meyer’s part in that.
My gut tells he he’s still coaching at the end of 2018z
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #419 on: August 07, 2018, 08:31:48 AM »
The police can detain you for a period, which is a kind of arrest at that point, and then release you with no charges especially if the other party declines to press.

So, you were sort of arrested, and then not.

The best case scenario for UM is that he properly reported all this through channels when appropriate.

The worst case is he didn't.

Maybe there is a third alternative, something in between.  Maybe it wasn't clear that a non-arrest should be reported.

Maybe it wasn't required to report rumors of marital problems. 

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