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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Roaddawg

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #364 on: August 06, 2018, 11:54:37 AM »
I think i saw this somewhere, but can’t dig it up now.

Zach Smith has hd his contract renewed / re-negotiated three different times in the last 5 years.

That’s what perplexes me. Assistant coaches get fired for calling one play wrong. For Smith, and knowing what they knew about his personal life, his social media antics, and his lack of player development; they didn’t even have to fire him. They could have non-renewed him three times, but didn’t.
I am sure the politics of his relationships kept him around, and somewhat shielded.  However, he was with Urban back in 09 and rehired to his staff at tOSU.  I don't fault Urban for not canning the guy, maybe the truth is more neutral than we know, or maybe he was given enough rope over the course to hang himself with this last incident. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #365 on: August 06, 2018, 11:55:13 AM »
I think i saw this somewhere, but can’t dig it up now.

Zach Smith has hd his contract renewed / re-negotiated three different times in the last 5 years.

That’s what perplexes me. Assistant coaches get fired for calling one play wrong. For Smith, and knowing what they knew about his personal life, his social media antics, and his lack of player development; they didn’t even have to fire him. They could have non-renewed him three times, but didn’t.
That's close to the center of my attention too. If he did something wrong (unlike his recent interview, Zach Smith does appear to completely fess up in published texts with Courtney) and we give the benefit of the doubt that it was properly reported by Meyer ... then why wasn't Zach fired (or at the very least not renewed) until it went public all these years later? 
There are no straightforward (or satisfactory) answers to that question yet.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #366 on: August 06, 2018, 11:56:13 AM »
What if Meyer stays because he reported up but Gene goes because he mismanaged his information and responsibilities?
My post meant to doubt he'd go humbly.
With enough money, I am sure he would go humbly.  I always thought he should have been canned after the Tressel incident.  

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« Reply #367 on: August 06, 2018, 12:08:17 PM »
I think for Urban it will all come down to whether he actually reported up, as he's suggested in his public letter. 

Originally, his remarks to the press looked BAD. But if he has evidence that this was reported properly and he can fall on the excuse of "I was blindsided by the question at media days and handled it badly, not wanting to drag their private matters into the public eye more than they already were."

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #368 on: August 06, 2018, 12:23:57 PM »
So, the best case scenario consistent with the facts is what here?

Meyer reported what he was supposed to report up the chain but lied to the media.  Anything else?

The worst case scenario is that he knew the situation, hired the guy, and didn't report and covered up the situation.

And I suppose there is something in between ...

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #369 on: August 06, 2018, 12:38:42 PM »
I think for Urban it will all come down to whether he actually reported up, as he's suggested in his public letter.

Originally, his remarks to the press looked BAD. But if he has evidence that this was reported properly and he can fall on the excuse of "I was blindsided by the question at media days and handled it badly, not wanting to drag their private matters into the public eye more than they already were."

If he properly reported, I agree. 
I think the definition of that is broader than typically published, though: he will have had to have (1) promptly reported the 2015 incident *and* have (2) provided the context of the 2009 incident upon hiring Zach to OSU *and* have (3) reported any other credible events, even without criminal charges, that he is documented to have learned about.
If he did that, then he did enough to stay. I'd still be confused why he didn't fire the guy who admitted to his own DV allegations, though. So a bad PR scar will stick around for the foreseeable.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #370 on: August 06, 2018, 01:23:20 PM »
So, the best case scenario consistent with the facts is what here?

Meyer reported what he was supposed to report up the chain but lied to the media.  Anything else?

The worst case scenario is that he knew the situation, hired the guy, and didn't report and covered up the situation.

And I suppose there is something in between ...
I think you've pretty much stated it. Best case is he reported but lied to the media. 
As far as "in between", that he reported but tried to then influence the outcome of that investigation in 2015 to protect his friend. I.e. he took something that HR or the Title IX office would have recommended firing Smith and somehow made sure that wasn't the outcome.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #371 on: August 06, 2018, 01:46:27 PM »
I think for Urban it will all come down to whether he actually reported up, as he's suggested in his public letter.
Do I have my info wrong? I thought we were past did Urban report or not.
I thought I read the Powell Police sent the redacted report to Gene Smith Directly. Gene notified Urban, and called Smith back from a recruiting trip to ask him about it.
Zach Smith claimed he only touched her in a defensive manner, she was the one attacking him.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #372 on: August 06, 2018, 01:54:53 PM »
That wasn't the only credible event to report. 2009 was another. It seems as if there were many other house calls that, even without criminal charges, may be classified as requiring report as well.

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« Reply #373 on: August 06, 2018, 01:57:29 PM »
Do I have my info wrong? I thought we were past did Urban report or not.
I thought I read the Powell Police sent the redacted report to Gene Smith Directly. Gene notified Urban, and called Smith back from a recruiting trip to ask him about it.
Smith claimed he only touched her in a defensive manner, she was the one attacking him.
Did it ever get reported beyond Gene Smith and Urban Meyer? What are OSU's guidelines on where it needs to be reported?
Or did they just "handle it" internally?
Because if it's the latter, I think his goose is still cooked. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #374 on: August 06, 2018, 01:58:41 PM »
Also, if you believe McMurphy (and though his anecdotes are secondhand and he has a self-interest like anyone, still comes off as one of the most credible narrators of the story as everything is documented and none of the documents are anonymous):
Zach fessed up in published texts with Courtney to have strangled her among other abuses.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #375 on: August 06, 2018, 02:08:01 PM »
Did it ever get reported beyond Gene Smith and Urban Meyer? What are OSU's guidelines on where it needs to be reported?
Or did they just "handle it" internally?
Because if it's the latter, I think his goose is still cooked.
It is a key distinction. Though even if handled internally, Meyer can probably stay IF GSmith takes the fall instead.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #376 on: August 06, 2018, 02:08:33 PM »
Also, if you believe McMurphy (and though his anecdotes are secondhand and he has a self-interest like anyone, still comes off as one of the most credible narrators of the story as everything is documented and none of the documents are anonymous):
Zach fessed up in published texts with Courtney to have strangled her among other abuses.
Which is an important part of this overall story. Especially for the "victim-blaming" folks who seem to keep finding ways to suggest that Courtney is crazy/vindictive, or is making this up, etc etc. 
However, that part is not necessarily germane to what happens to Urban or others at OSU. Because while it is clear that they knew of some of the domestic violence allegations, they very likely did not know the full extent of it. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #377 on: August 06, 2018, 02:18:36 PM »
Completely agree. It's also relevant to whether Zach Smith was fired for cause and, if so, whether that firing was unreasonably delayed until 2018.

 

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