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Topic: Is Urby In Trouble Here?

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Mdot21

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #154 on: August 02, 2018, 01:25:19 PM »
Spoken like a true fan of a team that can’t beat the guy.   Judge, jury and hangman.
No. Spoken like a true person who has ZERO tolerance for women beating pieces of shit like Zach Smith.
What you just wrote is spoken like a true fan who puts winning above morality.
There is ZERO chance that Urban didn't know this piece of human shit was beating on his wife. And he continued to give him cover and employ him.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #155 on: August 02, 2018, 01:28:03 PM »
"If you lie, you can never coach again."

Hmmm. Wonder what self-righteous sanctimonious weasel said that? I wonder.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #156 on: August 02, 2018, 01:28:36 PM »
IF IT TURNS OUT THAT MEYER DID NOT REPORT:

This scenario, while serious, is MANY categories less serious than what went on under LAKS or Paterno. But what it seems to share in common - that I think ELA put into words nicely - is the philosophy of "hear no evil/see no evil" deniability...and how it just doesn't work these days.
First, yes, in all these situations it's probable that the head honcho knew what was happening. My point in this post is that maybe it doesn't even matter if they knew. Because not knowing would just be a different sign of a broken ship.
And captains who build broken ships (leaders who won't end up learning about serial abuse even when "everyone knows" because they didn't correctly build their culture), well, those captains should be stopped from sailing.
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Mdot21

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #157 on: August 02, 2018, 01:31:02 PM »
This scenario, while serious, is MANY categories less serious than what went on under LAKS or Paterno. But what it seems to share in common - that I think ELA put into words nicely - is the philosophy of "hear no evil/see no evil" deniability...and how it just doesn't work these days.
First, yes, in all these situations it's probable that the head honcho knew what was happening. My point in this post is that maybe it doesn't even matter if they knew. Because not knowing would just be a different sign of a broken ship.
And captains who build broken ships (leaders who won't end up learning about serial abuse even when "everyone knows" because they didn't correctly build their culture), well, those leaders should be stopped from sailing.
I give zero shits about free tats or paying players. I thought Tressell got a bit of a raw deal.
I have ZERO tolerance for things like child molestation or women beaters like Zach Smith. They are the scum of the earth. They should be executed. Forget jail. And people that enable them and look the other way like Paterno/Urban DID deserve to lose their jobs. Period.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #158 on: August 02, 2018, 01:41:48 PM »
There is no dispute about the arrest in 2009.  
The question at hand is 2015.  There was no arrest.  Shelley Meyer encouraged her to press charges and she wouldn’t.  
The police investigated and also did not press
You have heard only one side- the side of someone who is going public only after her income source has dried up.
I would think you would like to hear what Zach Smith has to say and what Meyer had to say.
If you watch Urbans comments specifically he says “when we looked into 2015 there was nothing there”.
He also mentions “ what was reported is not what happened “.
I get the feeling there is a he said- she said aspect to this- so in that case what do you do?
Yah, after a night of reflection. I'm thinking after the media strom Meyer gets off on a technicality. 
Have I constructed the follow properly?
"2015 Incident": Zach beats Courtney, she calls the cops. Before the cops show up her parents talk her out of filing charges. Police show up, no charges are filed and that's why there is report with no names mentioned. Shelly sends texts encouraging Courtney to file charges. 3 years later Urban Meyer is asked about the 2015 incident, and replies he is unaware of a 2015 incident because there wasn't one.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #159 on: August 02, 2018, 01:44:15 PM »
Bravo MDot. 

The days of being complicit, or turning a blind eye, should be over.

The only way to end corruption in society is to report it and to stamp it out.

It's hard to stomach some of the comments in here.

Almost sounds to me like if you see a guy showering with a bunch of teenage boys, you should just mind your own business.

If you know there's a guy on your staff that's beating the hell out of his wife, it's none of your business.

It's a pathetic sentiment and weak integrity. 

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #160 on: August 02, 2018, 01:45:06 PM »
"If you lie, you can never coach again."

Hmmm. Wonder what self-righteous sanctimonious weasel said that? I wonder.
Former Baylor coach Art Briles, who was fired in the wake of the university's sexual assault scandal in 2016, has been hired to coach an American football team in Italy.
"It's a chance to get back on the field," he told ESPN by phone. "I'm excited. I really am. I'm grateful for the opportunity."
Briles will coach the Guelfi Firenze American football team in Florence, Italy. 
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #161 on: August 02, 2018, 01:53:31 PM »
Bravo MDot.

The days of being complicit, or turning a blind eye, should be over.

The only way to end corruption in society is to report it and to stamp it out.

It's hard to stomach some of the comments in here.

Almost sounds to me like if you see a guy showering with a bunch of teenage boys, you should just mind your own business.

If you know there's a guy on your staff that's beating the hell out of his wife, it's none of your business.

It's a pathetic sentiment and weak integrity.
yeah, I don't get it.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #162 on: August 02, 2018, 01:55:06 PM »
No. Spoken like a true person who has ZERO tolerance for women beating pieces of shit like Zach Smith.
What you just wrote is spoken like a true fan who puts winning above morality.
There is ZERO chance that Urban didn't know this piece of human shit was beating on his wife. And he continued to give him cover and employ him.
Good lord get over yourself.  Read the whole thread 
Putting winning above morality?
What gives you the right to play god?  You have at best- one side of the story and half the facts 
If it turns out that ther is only one side- you won’t get any arguments from me. 
But everyone is entitled to a fair discovery. Even the coach that has been beating your teams ass like a rented mule.  
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #163 on: August 02, 2018, 02:05:53 PM »
3 years later Urban Meyer is asked about the 2015 incident, and replies he is unaware of a 2015 incident because there wasn't one.
It gets even mushier here. Not illegal and maybe not necessarily fireable, but probably still a lie. Because not knowing about an event report isn't the same as not knowing about an event.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #164 on: August 02, 2018, 02:15:32 PM »
Good lord get over yourself.  Read the whole thread
Putting winning above morality?
What gives you the right to play god?  You have at best- one side of the story and half the facts
If it turns out that ther is only one side- you won’t get any arguments from me.
But everyone is entitled to a fair discovery. Even the coach that has been beating your teams ass like a rented mule.  
I think you are the one who needs to read up on the situation at hand.
There are text messages from Shelley Meyer, text messages from other coaches wives on that staff, text messages that piece of shit Zach Smith sent her threatening her, and photos of the abuse. All documented
The guy was just arrested for violating a restraining order she had put out against him. You can't get a restraining order in Ohio unless you can prove that the person is a serious threat against you.
This psycho installed hidden cameras in her house to spy on her. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that police were called 9 times on him by her in the 6 years.
Get over YOURSELF.
This PIECE OF SHIT was beating her ass for 9 years and Urban Meyer knew about it and he still kept him employed all because he was a close friend of the family. Fuck Zach Smith. Fuck Urban Meyer for keeping him employed, and fuck ANYONE who defends either of these despicable excuses of human being.

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #165 on: August 02, 2018, 02:23:36 PM »

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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #166 on: August 02, 2018, 02:24:23 PM »
I think you are the one who needs to read up on the situation at hand.
There are text messages from Shelley Meyer, text messages from other coaches wives on that staff, text messages that piece of shit Zach Smith sent her threatening her, and photos of the abuse. All documented
The guy was just arrested for violating a restraining order she had put out against him. You can't get a restraining order in Ohio unless you can prove that the person is a serious threat against you.
This psycho installed hidden cameras in her house to spy on her. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that police were called 9 times on him by her in the 6 years.
Get over YOURSELF.
This PIECE OF SHIT was beating her ass for 9 years and Urban Meyer knew about it and he still kept him employed all because he was a close friend of the family. Fuck Zach Smith. Fuck Urban Meyer for keeping him employed, and fuck ANYONE who defends either of these despicable excuses of human being.
I am not going to argue with you    
Let’s just agree on the fact that a person who hits women and anyone who covers for them are POS/ as well as anyone who defends it. 
The only thing we disagree on is whether a person accused of any of the above has a right to present their side and be heard. 
Some day if you or someone you care about is falsely accused- you will feel different and understand how important a person’ right to defend themselves is. 
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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Re: Is Urby In Trouble Here?
« Reply #167 on: August 02, 2018, 02:28:10 PM »
It gets even mushier here. Not illegal and maybe not necessarily fireable, but probably still a lie. Because not knowing about an event report isn't the same as not knowing about an event.
What he said was that when they looked into it now- there was nothing there.  It has already been reported that there was no arrest and smiths name was redacted from the police report- so in other words the authorities do not have enough to even press charges. Now why do you think that is?
Meyers wife employed her to press charges.  Why?
Lastly/ was their a risk of false termination at that point?
Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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