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medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #126 on:** August 02, 2018, 09:19:06 AM »

I've been thinking about this for a while and I'm more than a little perplexed.

First, as someone who has hire/fire responsibility I never encountered or considered a situation like this but what is my responsibility if one of my employees is allegedly beating his wife?

Second, lying about knowledge is different. That seems pretty clear but I don't see it as a coverup. The police were involved in at least one instance and Urban's wife (among others) encouraged the victim to press charges. I would view this a lot differently if Urban's wife had texted the victim and said something to the effect of "Oh please don't report this, we have a NC to win".

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #127 on:** August 02, 2018, 09:27:13 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 02, 2018, 09:03:45 AM

There is no dispute about the arrest in 2009.
The question at hand is 2015. There was no arrest. Shelley Meyer encouraged her to press charges and she wouldn’t.
The police investigated and also did not press
You have heard only one side- the side of someone who is going public only after her income source has dried up.
I would think you would like to hear what Zach Smith has to say and what Meyer had to say.
If you watch Urbans comments specifically he says “when we looked into 2015 there was nothing there”.
He also mentions “ what was reported is not what happened “.
I get the feeling there is a he said- she said aspect to this- so in that case what do you do?

I think that's the careful way to approach this and can support it since we may never know every detail for sure. But it does come with some booby traps.
-That 2009 happened (even without all the house calls in the 2010s) does forever link Smith to a certain kind of behavior. With Urban admitting he knew about that "first" example.
-That Shelley texted what she did (with the serious tone she seems to have) further ramps the credibility and brings (alleged) repeat offenses (that people other than just Courtney believed) into the OSU community and Meyer household.
Which comes awfully close to an airtight pattern of behavior (Smith) argument. With credible support for the idea that the pattern was willfully ignored (i.e., he wasn't fired before this went public).

FearlessF · « **Reply #128 on:** August 02, 2018, 09:45:39 AM »

smells like Urban is gone

right or wrong

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #129 on:** August 02, 2018, 09:54:45 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 02, 2018, 09:27:13 AM

I think that's the careful way to approach this and can support it since we may never know every detail for sure. But it does come with some booby traps.
-That 2009 happened (even without all the house calls in the 2010s) does forever link Smith to a certain kind of behavior. With Urban admitting he knew about that "first" example.
-That Shelley texted what she did (with the serious tone she seems to have) further ramps the credibility and brings (alleged) repeat offenses (that people other than just Courtney believed) into the OSU community and Meyer household.
Which comes awfully close to an airtight pattern of behavior (Smith) argument. With credible support for the idea that the pattern was willfully ignored.

So what if Meyer approached Zack Smith about the alleged 2015 incident and Zach Smith not only disputed it but had counterclaims. Then Meyer who says they checked with the authorities and the authorities position was there’s no evidence to back Smith‘s wife’s claims. Then what do you do? And lastly when all this came to light Smith was simply dropping off the child at the ex-wife‘s house which granted he was not supposed to do but where is the big crime in that
We are talking about destroying the career of one of college football’s greatest coaches based on hearsay of something that may not even have happened and he had nothing directly to do with it even if it did happen.
You have to admit our current culture in this country is at least 75% of the momentum behind this whole story

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #130 on:** August 02, 2018, 10:01:53 AM »

Even if Smith disputed it, the OSU admin clearly thinks that 2009+2015 was enough to fire Smith.
You can argue that Shelley Meyer was just wrong. And that all those ugly photos of Courtney were photoshopped or staged. But - although technically possible - those things seem unlikely.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #131 on:** August 02, 2018, 10:05:03 AM »

A very separate thought: even before any of this, who thought Zach Smith was a well adjusted, good guy who had a talent for coaching and definitely deserved to keep his job?
Although the DV was his ultimate undoing, he probably deserved to be canned long before -- for his online persona and, as Ramzy argues, inability to coach.

SuperMario · « **Reply #132 on:** August 02, 2018, 11:07:02 AM »

Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on August 02, 2018, 09:19:06 AM

I've been thinking about this for a while and I'm more than a little perplexed.

First, as someone who has hire/fire responsibility I never encountered or considered a situation like this but what is my responsibility if one of my employees is allegedly beating his wife?

I've thought about this a lot in the last 24 hours as well. I suppose if it came up, I would go directly to legal counsel and ensure it was well documented in writing.

FearlessF · « **Reply #133 on:** August 02, 2018, 11:07:29 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 02, 2018, 09:54:45 AM

And lastly when all this came to light Smith was simply dropping off the child at the ex-wife‘s house which granted he was not supposed to do but where is the big crime in that

that's the admission. This is not a big crime on it's own. So, obviously there have been much larger things leading up to this minor incident.
Meyer firing Smith for this minor incident shows that NOW Meyer is aware (came ti light) of the past transgressions or at least her side of the story

Mdot21 · « **Reply #134 on:** August 02, 2018, 11:09:24 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 02, 2018, 10:05:03 AM

A very separate thought: even before any of this, who thought Zach Smith was a well adjusted, good guy who had a talent for coaching and definitely deserved to keep his job?
Although the DV was his ultimate undoing, he probably deserved to be canned long before -- for his online persona and, as Ramzy argues, inability to coach.

Zach Smith is a POS human garbage and spectacularly he's an even more garbage football coach than he is human being.
Kinda blows my mind that Urban is probably going to lose his job by being and staying loyal to that worthless idiot. Should've never been hired in the first place. Should've fired him long ago. Stayed loyal to him out of the love he had for the kids grandfather and it's going to cost him his job.
Should be a big lesson to everyone on nepotism. Only hire people that are upstanding and qualified to do the job. Don't hire them just because they are family or like family.
Zach Smith had zero business ever being a WR coach at a school like Ohio State. It's not a coincidence that every WR OSU produces needs major work once they hit the NFL. Devin Smith should've been a 1st round pick with that talent, he came to the Jets not knowing how to run routes and was never able to see the field because of it and his NFL career is already over. Sean Payton had to personally work with Michael Thomas as a rookie and teach him route concepts. How many TD passes did OSU's WR's drop last year that hit them point blank right in the hands? Zach Smith was straight GARBAGE. And I've been saying that about him for years. Absolutely blows my mind that clown is about to bring down one of the greats in Urban.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #135 on:** August 02, 2018, 11:11:16 AM »

Quote from: SuperMario on August 02, 2018, 11:07:02 AM

I've thought about this a lot in the last 24 hours as well. I suppose if it came up, I would go directly to legal counsel and ensure it was well documented in writing.

Yes. Probably that as a minimum. I probably would not be held accountable if I didn't though. I'd just be upset with myself.
Not everyone has a contractual obligation (and, presumably, training) to report, however.

Honestbuckeye · « **Reply #136 on:** August 02, 2018, 11:13:32 AM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on August 02, 2018, 10:01:53 AM

Even if Smith disputed it, the OSU admin clearly thinks that 2009+2015 was enough to fire Smith.
You can argue that Shelley Meyer was just wrong. And that all those ugly photos of Courtney were photoshopped or staged. But - although technically possible - those things seem unlikely.

Agreed and that’s why he was fired. Why are we assuming that Meyer did not inform his superiors? Who has ever said that? And where exactly is this “lie”? If you listen carefully to what he said at the big 10 media days he basically clears the air on 2009 and says that in 2015 the police report or whatever information he sought to find the truth indicated that there was nothing there.
Let me be clear about this: if he was truly aware of physical abuse that was ongoing ( in other words validated or at least highly likely given that her refusal to press charges makes many of her claims questionable ) and did nothing as far as informing his superiors and just try to hope it was swept under the rug, he needs to be terminated for that. But right now all I hear are a lot of assumptions about that based on one person‘s side of the story as reported by one media person

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #137 on:** August 02, 2018, 11:20:13 AM »

We're all "in it" when it comes to our own lives. Meyer (and all coaches) should've learned from Paterno, but how many actually did. It's common sense to only hire the best guy for the job, but how often does that actualy occur???

He's always been nice to me....
He's related to someone I respect....
He's my best friend.....

None of that should matter 1%, but so many of everyone holds personal, anectotal 'evidence' over prudent, plain truths.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #138 on:** August 02, 2018, 11:22:28 AM »

HB: That's fair. Maybe Meyer did report it. I'm still surprised by the timing of the firing, then, though. Since the recent report probably didn't teach Meyer (or OSU, if he reported) anything he/they didn't already know.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #139 on:** August 02, 2018, 11:24:51 AM »

Quote from: Honestbuckeye on August 02, 2018, 11:13:32 AM

Let me be clear about this: if he was truly aware of physical abuse that was ongoing ( in other words validated or at least highly likely given that her refusal to press charges makes many of her claims questionable ) and did nothing as far as informing his superiors and just try to hope it was swept under the rug, he needs to be terminated for that.

I disagree. It's awful, but I disagree.
Meyer's job is to look out for his players and his family. His coaching assistant's wives aren't really his business. There's a reason they specify "domestic" violence - that's in soemoone else's home.
It's not a comfortable idea, but I feel it's accurate.

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