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Topic: Infractions panel could not conclude academic violations in North Carolina case

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Cincydawg

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NCAA is a worthless organization. They only hammer small schools that don't bring in big money like SMU. They can't do anything to the big brand names unless the FBI gets involved. Took the FBI to take Rick Pitino down. And Michigan basketball would've never gotten in trouble if Ed Martin wasn't investigated by the FBI and IRS for tax evasion and running an illegal numbers game/lottery operation. Took the FBI taking him down and airing out that he was handing out money to players left and right and Michigan punishing themselves for anything to happen.
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Sad that UNC was willing to bury their entire academic reputation to save their hoops program.

Maybe Wilmington should be UNC now, and UNC should be referred to as UNCCH, because flagship school my ass

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Sad that UNC was willing to bury their entire academic reputation to save their hoops program.

I don't think they buried their entire reputation.  This will largely be forgotten in 3-4 years, and likely is only known to folks who follow sports anyway.  Their graduate programs will not be affected at all.  Most undergraduate programs will see zero impact.
And there was nothing they could have done to rescue whatever did take damage.
I see this mostly as relating to how the regs get written and interpreted.  Everybody and his brother understands this was an impermissible benefit even if some regular students benefited.  

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What a crock of shit.

Hopefully the AAU pulls their membership and the accreditation societies give them the hammer.

What a crock of shit.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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I don't think they buried their entire reputation.  This will largely be forgotten in 3-4 years, and likely is only known to folks who follow sports anyway.  Their graduate programs will not be affected at all.  Most undergraduate programs will see zero impact.
And there was nothing they could have done to rescue whatever did take damage.
I see this mostly as relating to how the regs get written and interpreted.  Everybody and his brother understands this was an impermissible benefit even if some regular students benefited.  
I think it will matter in public perception.
If I was a guy making a hiring decision, a degree from UNC means a lot less to me than it did a week ago.  It was one of the top public schools in the nation, now I don't even know if the guy or girl I'm hiring took real classes.  But hey, who cares as long as Ol Roy stays clean.

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From the Yahoo! Sports article

By doing so, and since regular students also took the class, they didn’t violate NCAA rules. Sure, they took a shotgun to their academic credibility, but, hey, those championship banners get to stay. The truth is, alums probably care more about hoops anyway.

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From the Yahoo! Sports article

By doing so, and since regular students also took the class, they didn’t violate NCAA rules. Sure, they took a shotgun to their academic credibility, but, hey, those championship banners get to stay. The truth is, alums probably care more about hoops anyway.
I disagree with that statement. I'm thinking actual alums are pretty pissed. I know I would be.
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I have a HS acquaintance who is a VERY successful alum, and based on his Facebook comments, and his fellow alums, I think the statement is totally correct.

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The perception among SOME in the public will obviously be impacted negatively, but that has already happened.  Getting by with it doesn't change that at all IMHO.

Nothing substantive will happen and in 3-4 years it will be largely forgotten.  The academic types don't pay attention to sports in the main.  I can't imagine this is much a topic of conversation in the chemistry department or impacts how prospective grad students view the university.  Somewhere around 90% of undergrads are in state students and it is considered a great thing to get accepted to UNC in the state.

So how does this harm them academically?  Is USN&WR going to down rate them?  Anyone else?

They will claim to have fixed it and put in checks to stop it in the future, and that is that.

Yeah, the folks in Wisconsin may look down their noses, which is fine, but it really doesn't matter that I can see.


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I disagree with that statement. I'm thinking actual alums are pretty pissed. I know I would be.
I am of course an "actual alum" and I don't care, but my opinion is irrelevant as I'm retired.  But, for the sake of discussion, would this have kept me from getting a job back when?  I don't think so.
And some penalty by the NCAA would not have changed whatever perceptions have changed.

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I'm still pissed about this ruling.

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I am of course an "actual alum" and I don't care, but my opinion is irrelevant as I'm retired.  But, for the sake of discussion, would this have kept me from getting a job back when?  I don't think so.
And some penalty by the NCAA would not have changed whatever perceptions have changed.
I agree that whether or not the NCAA sanctioned them has no bearing on their academic reputation.

My thought was totally based on the argument they set forth, that their fake classes were made available to everyone.

That means several things to me:

1.) That they offer these completely faux classes at all, makes me question their academic reputation
2.) They are committing academic fraud on parents paying for these classes
3.) That to save their banners they would be willing to put forth an argument basically throwing their academic reputation under the bus, makes me question where they prioritize any of it.

And again, if it's NC State, I don't care.  I think largely the big state schools are interchangeable, and you can create as difficult or as easy a path as you want, and the admissions variances are only noticeable if you read US New & World Report.  But there are a select few public schools (really maybe only UNC, UVa, UM, UCLA and Cal, maybe Texas) that hold themselves above that fray.  This certainly makes me scoff any any notion that UNC deserves that type of rep.  Not that it's a bad school, just that I can't buy that it's where it holds itself out.

 

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