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The Power Five => Big Ten => Topic started by: NickSmith4Three on October 13, 2017, 10:54:30 AM
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http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/infractions-panel-could-not-conclude-academic-violations-north-carolina-case
Shocking UNC gets off
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As expected. NCAA proves they are worthless.
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If I am understanding this correctly, North Carolina successfully proved that the sham classes were not JUST for athletes, but were attended by plenty of other students who didn't want to do actual work. Therefore, it was not an impermissible benefit. Essentially "Yeah, we knew the degree was pure BS, but it was BS for everybody, not just athletes." They sacrificed their academic integrity to save the sports program.
If there is justice in this world, the governing body for academics licensure in North Carolina would pull their accreditation.
I actually really feel sorry for anyone who got a degree in that field and actually worked hard to get it. It's about as worthless as toilet paper right now.
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Baylor won't get hit by sanctions because the NCAA will determine that the school was actually cool with any student committing rape, not just athletes. :57:
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@BlueRoyster711 (https://www.cfb51.com/index.php?action=profile;u=32) - I felt bile rise at the possibility of your comment being legit.
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Great message, "We don't care what your student-athletes do, as long as the rest of the students can do it, too."
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I'm getting more and more upset about this.
I say OSU should hang it's "tattoo-gate" banners back up and restore their wins. I mean if the NCAA doesn't have the authority to punish a school for academic fraud, then it sure as hell doesn't have the right to punish for discounted tattoos. :sign0065:
I was a student at OSU, I got a discount for my tattoo. OSU is free and clear right? (When I got inked I was told each one would cost $100, but if I did them together they would do both for 150. winner winner chicken dinner.)
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I think this is more about how the regulations were written than anything else.
And I think it's an embarrassment to UNC academics more than sanctions to their athletics would have been. I'm sure they claim to have fixed whatever.
And I am an alumnus of that school, though it matters not any more.
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All right, now Jay Bilas is saying the "exact same thing" happened at M*ch*g*n 8 years ago, and no sanctions (or investigations) were brought against the wolverines, why should they brought against UNC?!?!
Maybe I'm getting old, cause I'm not remembering, UofM you directed your entire basketball team towards academic fraud?
Pretty sure if the Skunkweasles would have done some similar to UNC I would have been all over that. (especially since the shady sh!t OSU did was 7 years ago.)
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I heard all Florida State students get a free pair of shoes when they enroll.
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Anybody who thought that the hyper-PC NCAA was going to sanction a school over weak academics in the school's black studies department was nuts to begin with.
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Blow the whole thing up.
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Anybody who thought that the hyper-PC NCAA was going to sanction a school over weak academics in the school's black studies department was nuts to begin with.
NCAA too busy trying to keep black people from getting money to worry about whether students are learning about black people.
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I actually think this a new form of punishment when the NCAA doesn't believe it can win. That is to say keeping a cloud over them for 7 years was not a free pass. A quick decision and 2 years probation would have been much less painful, imo.
This was a never-ending humiliation for a mostly quality school.
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https://www.dawgnation.com/football/opinion/unc-skates-issue-ncaa-torched-georgia
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NCAA is a worthless organization. They only hammer small schools that don't bring in big money like SMU. They can't do anything to the big brand names unless the FBI gets involved. Took the FBI to take Rick Pitino down. And Michigan basketball would've never gotten in trouble if Ed Martin wasn't investigated by the FBI and IRS for tax evasion and running an illegal numbers game/lottery operation. Took the FBI taking him down and airing out that he was handing out money to players left and right and Michigan punishing themselves for anything to happen.
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Sad that UNC was willing to bury their entire academic reputation to save their hoops program.
Maybe Wilmington should be UNC now, and UNC should be referred to as UNCCH, because flagship school my ass
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMEUDo8XcAAXyjS.jpg)
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Sad that UNC was willing to bury their entire academic reputation to save their hoops program.
I don't think they buried their entire reputation. This will largely be forgotten in 3-4 years, and likely is only known to folks who follow sports anyway. Their graduate programs will not be affected at all. Most undergraduate programs will see zero impact.
And there was nothing they could have done to rescue whatever did take damage.
I see this mostly as relating to how the regs get written and interpreted. Everybody and his brother understands this was an impermissible benefit even if some regular students benefited.
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What a crock of shit.
Hopefully the AAU pulls their membership and the accreditation societies give them the hammer.
What a crock of shit.
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I don't think they buried their entire reputation. This will largely be forgotten in 3-4 years, and likely is only known to folks who follow sports anyway. Their graduate programs will not be affected at all. Most undergraduate programs will see zero impact.
And there was nothing they could have done to rescue whatever did take damage.
I see this mostly as relating to how the regs get written and interpreted. Everybody and his brother understands this was an impermissible benefit even if some regular students benefited.
I think it will matter in public perception.
If I was a guy making a hiring decision, a degree from UNC means a lot less to me than it did a week ago. It was one of the top public schools in the nation, now I don't even know if the guy or girl I'm hiring took real classes. But hey, who cares as long as Ol Roy stays clean.
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From the Yahoo! Sports article
By doing so, and since regular students also took the class, they didn’t violate NCAA rules. Sure, they took a shotgun to their academic credibility, but, hey, those championship banners get to stay. The truth is, alums probably care more about hoops anyway.
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From the Yahoo! Sports article
By doing so, and since regular students also took the class, they didn’t violate NCAA rules. Sure, they took a shotgun to their academic credibility, but, hey, those championship banners get to stay. The truth is, alums probably care more about hoops anyway.
I disagree with that statement. I'm thinking actual alums are pretty pissed. I know I would be.
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I have a HS acquaintance who is a VERY successful alum, and based on his Facebook comments, and his fellow alums, I think the statement is totally correct.
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The perception among SOME in the public will obviously be impacted negatively, but that has already happened. Getting by with it doesn't change that at all IMHO.
Nothing substantive will happen and in 3-4 years it will be largely forgotten. The academic types don't pay attention to sports in the main. I can't imagine this is much a topic of conversation in the chemistry department or impacts how prospective grad students view the university. Somewhere around 90% of undergrads are in state students and it is considered a great thing to get accepted to UNC in the state.
So how does this harm them academically? Is USN&WR going to down rate them? Anyone else?
They will claim to have fixed it and put in checks to stop it in the future, and that is that.
Yeah, the folks in Wisconsin may look down their noses, which is fine, but it really doesn't matter that I can see.
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I disagree with that statement. I'm thinking actual alums are pretty pissed. I know I would be.
I am of course an "actual alum" and I don't care, but my opinion is irrelevant as I'm retired. But, for the sake of discussion, would this have kept me from getting a job back when? I don't think so.
And some penalty by the NCAA would not have changed whatever perceptions have changed.
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I'm still pissed about this ruling.
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I am of course an "actual alum" and I don't care, but my opinion is irrelevant as I'm retired. But, for the sake of discussion, would this have kept me from getting a job back when? I don't think so.
And some penalty by the NCAA would not have changed whatever perceptions have changed.
I agree that whether or not the NCAA sanctioned them has no bearing on their academic reputation.
My thought was totally based on the argument they set forth, that their fake classes were made available to everyone.
That means several things to me:
1.) That they offer these completely faux classes at all, makes me question their academic reputation
2.) They are committing academic fraud on parents paying for these classes
3.) That to save their banners they would be willing to put forth an argument basically throwing their academic reputation under the bus, makes me question where they prioritize any of it.
And again, if it's NC State, I don't care. I think largely the big state schools are interchangeable, and you can create as difficult or as easy a path as you want, and the admissions variances are only noticeable if you read US New & World Report. But there are a select few public schools (really maybe only UNC, UVa, UM, UCLA and Cal, maybe Texas) that hold themselves above that fray. This certainly makes me scoff any any notion that UNC deserves that type of rep. Not that it's a bad school, just that I can't buy that it's where it holds itself out.
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I don't think they buried their entire reputation. This will largely be forgotten in 3-4 years, and likely is only known to folks who follow sports anyway. Their graduate programs will not be affected at all. Most undergraduate programs will see zero impact.
^^THIS^^
This is very old news actually: https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/06/12/accrediting-body-places-unc-probation
UNC played this like a fiddle. They knew the troubles from the NCAA would be much more severe in terms of monetary impact to the school (via athletics) vs. they knew the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on College wouldn't dare pull their accreditation. So, they are on some kind of minor probation with the SACSCOC...big whoop, they had their ace up their sleeve already.
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I am of course an "actual alum" and I don't care, but my opinion is irrelevant as I'm retired. But, for the sake of discussion, would this have kept me from getting a job back when? I don't think so.
And some penalty by the NCAA would not have changed whatever perceptions have changed.
I know of no UNC fan or alum who cares. And I live here.
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As I said, throwing academic reputation under the bus to save the hoops program
@redditcfb: UNC's defense of fake classes to NCAA contradicted what they told accreditor, now they're asking questions www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article183717756.html (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article183717756.html)
In 2013, UNC was up for accreditation, to avoid issues they claimed the students had to prove they learned the material via an exam our the credits wouldn't count. That's not what they told the NCAA. UNC is up for accreditation again next month. Everything was a go on that until the NCAA report. Now, they aren't so sure about accreditation for UNC.
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Yeah but..
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I see a lot of grandstanding in the future, with no actual meaningful results.
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I see a lot of grandstanding in the future, with no actual meaningful results.
The more things change, the more they stay the same?
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So what would happen if SACS actually pulled their accreditation? What would the tangible result be?
Not that I expect them to, but I wouldn't be surprised if this resulted in them being placed back on probation.
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So what would happen if SACS actually pulled their accreditation? What would the tangible result be?
Not that I expect them to, but I wouldn't be surprised if this resulted in them being placed back on probation.
They would become the equivalent of the University of Phoenix?
They would almost certainly lose their AAU status as their ability to gain research funding would essentially be gone.