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« Reply #30114 on: April 01, 2024, 11:49:16 AM »
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« Reply #30115 on: April 01, 2024, 11:51:58 AM »
ya I just got bent over for moving my own money around,didn't withdraw a cent.
That happens to me all the time. You just hope the move pays off. Most of mine have turned out OK, but sucks having to pay taxes on money you never touched, aside from moving it.

Just doing a quick estimate, movement of monies last year cost me probably $25K in taxes. I'll be writing a check soon.
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« Reply #30116 on: April 01, 2024, 11:52:57 AM »
Lots of people (many more than not) think corporations are evil.

Where would people work if there were no corporations?

Not everyone can suck off the government. There would no way to fund it.
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« Reply #30117 on: April 01, 2024, 11:53:30 AM »
In the example your 100 million in stock example only works if you stay invested in your current stock and it goes up

I would say the vast number of large investors make their money by buying and selling so that would trigger taxes
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« Reply #30118 on: April 01, 2024, 11:54:05 AM »
I'm not sure how "moving money around" is taxable, unless it's coming out of an untaxed account like an IRA.

I transfer funds fairly often between accounts, and it's not taxable unless it's from my IRA.

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« Reply #30119 on: April 01, 2024, 11:55:30 AM »
I'm not sure how "moving money around" is taxable, unless it's coming out of an untaxed account like an IRA.

I transfer funds fairly often between accounts, and it's not taxable unless it's from my IRA.
buying and selling stocks is probably what he means
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« Reply #30120 on: April 01, 2024, 11:58:42 AM »
In the example your 100 million in stock example only works if you stay invested in your current stock and it goes up

I would say the vast number of large investors make their money by buying and selling so that would trigger taxes

It helps if the stock appreciates, yes.  But, one can do this for a long time even if the stock price stays flat, or goes down.  And yes, INVESTORS will tend to buy and sell stock, ergo the term.  I'm not really talking about those folks, even if they are wealthy.  (And investors of course also can avoid income taxes using some other kinds of tactics if they wish, often as not.)

I'm speaking about wealthy people who may have inherited or may have worked early for some startup that made it big.  The fact is, this is a pretty common tax dodge, and entirely legal.  

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« Reply #30121 on: April 01, 2024, 11:59:57 AM »
I'm not sure how "moving money around" is taxable, unless it's coming out of an untaxed account like an IRA.

I transfer funds fairly often between accounts, and it's not taxable unless it's from my IRA.
I have a sizable investment account that is not a retirement account. When you move money and incur gains on it, you pay taxes whether you take the money or simply reallocate it.

That stems from being self-employed and being limited on how much I could contribute to our 401K plan. Owners cannot have more money in the 401K then the employees. When the employees don't contribute (younger ones don't), it limits the owners.

So, the investment plan is it.

My Roth has been maxed every year for the past 30+ years. Made sure to do that.
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« Reply #30122 on: April 01, 2024, 12:02:17 PM »
In the example your 100 million in stock example only works if you stay invested in your current stock and it goes up

I would say the vast number of large investors make their money by buying and selling so that would trigger taxes
We're not talking about large investors--we're talking about ultra-rich corporate guys. Guys like Bezos, Musk, Buffett. 

These guys aren't making their personal fortunes by moving their stock around. It's all in their own companies. 

Borrowing against it also has another advantage--as directors of their companies, they have to publicly report any stock purchases or sales in their own stock. Which always causes outside speculators to wonder "why is he selling??? what does he know???" Which can move the stock in itself. You can somewhat get around that if you have a very open and planned consistent sales, i.e. you sell a certain amount of stock every quarter and it's a planned distribution. But if you just borrow against your stock, you don't have to worry about that. 

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« Reply #30123 on: April 01, 2024, 12:14:47 PM »
This is a major undertaking. Unreal to think about. 

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« Reply #30124 on: April 01, 2024, 12:48:25 PM »
I have a sizable investment account that is not a retirement account. When you move money and incur gains on it, you pay taxes whether you take the money or simply reallocate it.

That stems from being self-employed and being limited on how much I could contribute to our 401K plan. Owners cannot have more money in the 401K then the employees. When the employees don't contribute (younger ones don't), it limits the owners.

So, the investment plan is it.

My Roth has been maxed every year for the past 30+ years. Made sure to do that.
I love to buy and sell stocks from my 401k account cause all gains are tax deferred
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« Reply #30125 on: April 01, 2024, 01:12:27 PM »
401K's generally don't work for self-employed people. It didn't for me, hence the investment account.

I think about liquidating it from time to time to buy rental property(s).
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« Reply #30126 on: April 01, 2024, 01:28:13 PM »
but, you don't want to be referred to as a "slumlord" and you don't need the headaches?
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« Reply #30127 on: April 01, 2024, 01:37:34 PM »
I wouldn't buy that kind of property. Probably another house or townhouse in here, where I live, so I can see it. Definitely not a condo. Condo HOA's are ridiculous down here.
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