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Mdot21

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #29694 on: March 24, 2024, 06:09:00 PM »
I don't expect Russia to admit "we" were right, they can't, so they need a story for internal.
there's defintiely that...and what might also be at play...what every government does...even our own does it... governments never let a crisis go unused to push it's agenda and grab for more power. they are just going to use this to go harder at the ukraine. it's very predictable.

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« Reply #29695 on: March 24, 2024, 06:20:17 PM »
Yup, this.

US two weeks ago: Hey Russia, we have intel that ISIS is planning an attack on you.  We know approximately when and almost exactly where.  You should probably check into it.  We've openly warned all American citizens still in Russia to avoid gatherings in the meantime,

ISIS: Attacks

Russia: Huh... what?

US: You idiots, we told you so.

ISIS: We did it.

Russia: It was probably those nazis in Ukraine, expecailly their Jewish nazi president

ISIS: No really, we did it

dickface putin: We're convinced it was Ukraine.  Now we're going to increase our age for conscription, from age 60 up to age 80

US: Facepalm.  Fucking idiots.
I don't doubt that US had some kind of intel that some type of attack could be imminent, the NSA collects literally every type of communication in the entire world and stores it on databases.

Can also see why Russia would be skeptical of US at this point, they are effectively at war with each other. 

It also definitely makes sense as to why ISIS would want to attack Russia, seeing as how Russia has been fighting against ISIS branches in Syria and Africa.

Come to think of it- just clicked in my head now talking about this- but it also kind of makes sense why that little smelly grandma fcking weirdo Macron is flapping his gums trying to play mr tough guy big d*ck with Russia as well- over Africa. The French have long been disgusting pigs in Africa who have colonized and raped and pillaged the natural resources of the people of Africa and have controlled the economies, natural resources, governments, cash reserves & monetary policy of a dozen plus countries in Africa- and well they've been starting to get kicked out of many of those countries one by one over the last 4 or 5 years- all while Russia has been welcomed in with open arms to provide security and training and fight ISIS. France is not a country with abundant natural resources, they don't have magnesium, lithium, nickel, uranium, silver, diamond, gold mines or oil and natural gas fields. Their former colonies in Africa do though. France losing monetary control, influence over governments there, and access to abundant cheap natural resources in their former colonies is really bad news for a country that has rapidly been becoming a minor insignificant country trying desperately to hang on to it's long lost past glory as a great power.

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« Reply #29696 on: March 24, 2024, 06:40:54 PM »
It seems pretty straightforward to me without resorting to some devious complex government plot.  Governments, in my limited experience, aren't very good at intricate plots, devious or otherwise.  Russia simply wants to blame someone else.

Of course, it's possible governments are so sneaky good that they pretend to be largely ineffective while in reality are deviously competent and plotting all the time to achieve dark goals.  In that case, I would of course lack any reliable information relating to their sneakiness.


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« Reply #29697 on: March 24, 2024, 06:46:01 PM »
It seems pretty straightforward to me without resorting to some devious complex government plot.  Governments, in my limited experience, aren't very good at intricate plots, devious or otherwise.  Russia simply wants to blame someone else.

Of course, it's possible governments are so sneaky good that they pretend to be largely ineffective while in reality are deviously competent and plotting all the time to achieve dark goals.  In that case, I would of course lack any reliable information relating to their sneakiness.
yeah, re-read what I said. there is no resorting to some devious complex government plot. wtf?

it's pretty basic simple sh*t actually.

governments never fail to use a crisis to their benefit. it's a tale as old as time. the putin gov't is going to use this crisis to their benefit and blame ukraine and push harder into exacting punishment on ukraine and in pushing public opinion harder into going along with it's war aims in ukraine.

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« Reply #29698 on: March 24, 2024, 07:07:52 PM »
Macron - flapping gums - something about Africa and colonies they lost many decades ago, talking about sending NATO troops into Ukraine - something something something about ISIS attacking Russia, or something.

I admit, I can't make it out.  But governments like that of the French could be just that sneaky devious and it would all be beyond me.










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« Reply #29699 on: March 24, 2024, 07:46:25 PM »
Macron - flapping gums - something about Africa and colonies they lost many decades ago, talking about sending NATO troops into Ukraine - something something something about ISIS attacking Russia, or something.

I admit, I can't make it out.  But governments like that of the French could be just that sneaky devious and it would all be beyond me.
yeah, except France never lost any those colonies many decades ago. French influence over their governments and French economic & monetary policy control persists to this day in most of them- and the French were only very recently pushed out and completely expelled out of a handful of them.

Even after the "independence" of said colonies they were forced to sign agreements with the French gov't which gave French multi-nationals what was essentially exclusive access to natural resources, rights of first refusal to buy any new mines/oil/nat gas fields discovered in those countries, France maintained rights to have permanent military bases in all of them, France still controlled all the cash reserves of those countries in the French treasury, and France controls the currency and monetary policy of all those countries to this day. Read up about it a bit. Fascinatingly horrible stuff.

By the way, the French were also instrumental in the toppling of Libya and turning it into a failed state. US has to take center stage for the blame on that one, but France is very close behind. Gaddafi had aimed to create an African central bank with an African currency backed by gold which would be used to trade African oil exclusively in. This is obviously something the French did not want. Nor the Americans, for different reasons though. The French also wanted more control/access to Libyan oil- which they have gotten after overthrowing Gadaffi. See: French multi-national Total buying a huge chunk of the Waha Oil Company- a subsidiary of NOC- the state owned oil giant of Libya which produces nearly 3/4ths of all the oil in Libya. Which is fascinating by the way considering Sarkozy's rat bastard ass was the head of the French government at the time which helped to topple Gaddafi- meanwhile Gaddafi had bankrolled Sarkozy's fcking campaign and had secretly paid him something like 50 million euros to get his Presidential campaign off the ground in France with the understanding that Libya would get favor from the new French government.

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #29700 on: March 24, 2024, 08:33:30 PM »
More devious plots intricately effected.  

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« Reply #29701 on: March 24, 2024, 10:09:20 PM »
there's defintiely that...and what might also be at play...what every government does...even our own does it... governments never let a crisis go unused to push it's agenda and grab for more power. they are just going to use this to go harder at the ukraine. it's very predictable.
Sure but nobody's buying their shit.  Nobody outside of the other pariah states like North Korea and Iran, and a few other individual bad actors out there, believe even half a word that comes out of dickface putin's pustular piehole.

He can use it internally to attempt to whip his constituents into a fervor and justify further mobilizations, but the truth is he can and will do that anyway, without any reason at all-- the "cause" is irrelevant.  And it also doesn't change the fact that the only people left to conscript are those in the over-60 category.  He's thrown everyone else he can at the war and he's still been stalemated for 2 years.

He's a dead man walking and the Russian state is already effectively over.  The only damage he can do globally at this point, is if he decides to use nukes.  And I hope what you said earlier is right and that he won't do that.

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« Reply #29702 on: March 24, 2024, 10:12:01 PM »
I don't think you need to come up with plots as to why France would want to prevent Russian imperialism in Europe. 

And I'm not sure why someone who insists that the European countries should stand up for themselves without US backing, would complain about a European country standing up for itself without US backing.  That's silly and contradictory.

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« Reply #29703 on: March 24, 2024, 10:22:46 PM »
It’s a devious intricate plot. 

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« Reply #29704 on: March 24, 2024, 10:43:30 PM »
Yeah....I mean, European countries are our bitch for a reason.  The reason is that we're their big bully friend standing right behind them when they get into an altercation.  If we don't back them up, there's no reason for them to be our bitch.  
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« Reply #29705 on: March 25, 2024, 06:52:32 AM »
I approve of Macron becoming a twist in Putin's knickers.
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« Reply #29706 on: March 25, 2024, 07:21:44 AM »
The French with whom I have spoken disdain Macron, a lot, but they disdain any plausible replacements even more. 

I think for Macron to speak up as he did about Ukraine and NATO troops was a rather bad unforced silly error.  There was no upside for him at all.

I'd like to know more about how Swedes view joining NATO.  That is a large step for them, out of historical character.  I chatted briefly with one fellow who is a LT in their army and he was noncommital.  Sweden has a pretty competent military and their gear is pretty solid and up to date. 

Sweden NATO poll 2024 | Statista

Looks like they are pretty much in favor of it.
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