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MikeDeTiger

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« Reply #28742 on: January 31, 2024, 12:53:19 PM »
The good thing about pellet smokers is that for a lot of new smokers, learning temperature control is the hardest part. That's one reason I say pulled pork. You can cook it at 225 or at 375 and it'll come out delicious either way. But with a pellet smoker, temp control is handled for you, so they're like pressing the easy button.

I use mesquite charcoal in the kamado. It's nice that right at the Smart & Final around the corner I can buy 40# bags of it for $20. My view is that the process of turning it into charcoal basically tames the beast that is mesquite. I don't use mesquite as smoking wood for flavoring though--usually hickory chunks. And like you, if I was running a stick-burner I wouldn't use mesquite for that for the same reason.

I'm assuming something similar with the pellets, as mesquite pellets seem to be fairly popular.  

Mine obviously doesn't burn sticks or charcoal, so I'm out of the market for those top secret tips.

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« Reply #28743 on: January 31, 2024, 01:16:52 PM »
I'm assuming something similar with the pellets, as mesquite pellets seem to be fairly popular. 

Mine obviously doesn't burn sticks or charcoal, so I'm out of the market for those top secret tips.
Lots of folks use mesquite on their stick-burners, too-- it just doesn't taste very good. 

I believe I've mentioned here before, but probably the best BBQ meal I've ever had in my life, was when I was 13 or 14 and on a boy scout trip to Mexico for a week over Spring Break.  We camped on the grounds of a massive hacienda, the owner was a major contributor to Boy Scouts of Mexico and had invited us along with a local troop of Mexican scouts, to spend the week there.

One day we started fairly early and we dug out two trenches-- one, where we burned mesquite logs into mesquite coals, and one where we shoveled those coals, under several spits where we had whole goat kids roasting.  Mesquite coals have already burned off their initial heat and they've also burned off the majority of their overwhelming flavor, but they still have more than enough to flavor the meat.  So between the 40 or so kids for cheap labor, and the 10 or 12 adults "supervising" we made a ton of cabrito, and then feasted that afternoon/evening. 

Absolutely the best BBQ I've ever put in my face.

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« Reply #28744 on: January 31, 2024, 01:45:50 PM »
One of the downsides of pellet smokers is that they generally don't impart very much "smoke" flavor. Definitely not as much as I get in a kamado, which is less than what you'll get from a stick burner. I have a Traeger that I use for various grilling tasks, but I always use the kamado for smoking. 

I could see mesquite pellets being a way to work around that, i.e. knowing the produce a MUCH more pronounced flavor, they are used to give more flavor than you can get from other woods. But if you tried the same thing in a kamado or stick burner, it would just be way too much. 

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« Reply #28745 on: January 31, 2024, 02:00:03 PM »
One of the downsides of pellet smokers is that they generally don't impart very much "smoke" flavor.

Now you tell me. 

I probably don't get the point of a smoker that doesn't input much smoke flavor. 

I'm not excited about it anymore.  Nevermind.  

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« Reply #28746 on: January 31, 2024, 02:06:42 PM »
Now you tell me. 

I probably don't get the point of a smoker that doesn't input much smoke flavor. 

I'm not excited about it anymore.  Nevermind. 

Ha!  No worries, you'll cut your teeth on the pellet smoker, and then move along to a full-sized competition offset in no time.



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« Reply #28747 on: January 31, 2024, 02:21:12 PM »
I may be disappointed, but it was still the right choice, I reckon. 

1)  We needed a new grill and weren't particularly interested in propane like the old one. 
2)  Stick/charcoal doesn't seem right due to the time/attention/expertise required.  At this point I'm after more of a set-it-and-forget-it experience.  
3)  I could taste some smoke flavor in the hotdogs last night, and they were in there basically no time.  Any smoke flavor is better than none. 

That's the story I'm telling myself, anyway.

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« Reply #28748 on: January 31, 2024, 02:21:37 PM »
Now you tell me. 

I probably don't get the point of a smoker that doesn't input much smoke flavor. 

I'm not excited about it anymore.  Nevermind. 
LOL... They're good smokers. I didn't want you to think I'm criticizing it. I'm not saying there's no smoke flavor, or that there isn't enough to make you happy and make good Q... 

Just that in comparison to other smoker designs, it's less. 

One thing I'd definitely state is that they make more smoke at lower temps. So I wouldn't recommend on a pellet smoker to be smoking a pork butt at 350 (which I do on the kamado b/c I don't have to run it overnight at that temp), and you may even want to set the Traeger depending on model to a "smoke" setting for the first part of cooking to give more smoke flavor. I know my Traeger, which is quite old, has a 180 degree setting. That's basically it's "smoke" setting. If I was trying to smoke on it I might consider running it at 180 for 2 hours before then cranking it up to 225.

I know other folks have used a separate smoker inside the pellet grill from a company named A-MAZE-N. They're cheap and simple, so it's not like buying "a new smoker". It's a small metal tray or tube. Basically you load it up with the same pellets that fuel your Traeger, light it, and set it in the Traeger while you're cooking. You'll get more smoke flavor using that. 

I mean, Alton Brown made a smoker from a cardboard box and a hot plate. BBQ'ers are a resourceful bunch. You're already ahead of the game with the Traeger...

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« Reply #28749 on: January 31, 2024, 02:24:02 PM »
I mean, Alton Brown made a smoker from a cardboard box and a hot plate. BBQ'ers are a resourceful bunch. You're already ahead of the game with the Traeger...
Great episode. I wish he was still making shows.
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« Reply #28750 on: January 31, 2024, 02:39:57 PM »
I may be disappointed, but it was still the right choice, I reckon. 

1)  We needed a new grill and weren't particularly interested in propane like the old one. 
2)  Stick/charcoal doesn't seem right due to the time/attention/expertise required.  At this point I'm after more of a set-it-and-forget-it experience. 
3)  I could taste some smoke flavor in the hotdogs last night, and they were in there basically no time.  Any smoke flavor is better than none. 

That's the story I'm telling myself, anyway.

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I can tell I'm not in SEC company when I've gone this many posts and nobody has made a corndog joke.

Nah you're gonna be fine.  I think it'll be a perfect setup for you.  They're super-easy to use*, and you'll get plenty of flavor**. 

* as evidenced by a friend that has one and I've seen him "work" at it :)

** as evidenced by eating the BBQ produced by the above-mentioned friend,  and it being pretty tasty.

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« Reply #28751 on: February 02, 2024, 11:30:56 AM »
Last night's smoked chicken breasts were a rousing success, I'd say.  I took @betarhoalphadelta 's advice threw them on about 2 hours before I wanted them ready.  I tried the Smoke setting, which Traeger's webpage tells me is supposed to be about 160, floating between 160 and 180.  That was a bust, because for some reason the temp just kept climbing and climbing.  So after I realized it wasn't working as I expected, I switched it to 180, and the temp duly dropped and stayed there.  And indeed, that seemed to be the magic number on this model for lots of smoking. 

I kept them there about an hour and a half before knocking it up pretty high to go ahead and finish them off.  Real smokes, the ones where I can just slow-cook them the whole way, will probably be weekend affairs....not something I can pull off on a weekday, because we eat pretty early.

Anyway, they came out great, I thought.  I could really taste the hickory flavor of the pellets, and a nice amount of smoke flavor, although I could've done with a little more of that.  I'm sure they can be better.....since I'm not much of a griller of any kind at this point, I wondered if basting them up front might've helped some.  They weren't dry, but they were a little dryer than I am ultimately aiming for.  I was wondering if basting sooner would make them more moist and also if the sauce would help retain more of that smoke flavor.  I dunno. 

Anyway, good run to gauge how long that particular meat takes to do what it does at that temp, and got a pretty good sense of how many pellets will be required for smoking that long at those temps.  All good info.  And....I ain't mad at the chicken breasts.  Definitely better than just baking in the oven or doing them on the stove. 

Family liked them as well, and the wife did some good sides to go with.  Success!

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« Reply #28752 on: February 02, 2024, 11:38:46 AM »
Good to hear! 

I do know that having the surface of the meat be as cold as possible during the smoking stage helps with smoke uptake, as well as basting (the liquid gives the smoke something to hold on to). Might try throwing them in the freezer 15 minutes before you start them, then baste, then throw them on. 

Can't help you much with the dryness. With a wife with a chicken allergy, I don't make chicken breast much. When for whatever reason I'm cooking for the kids and she's not home, I'm usually doing thighs, or wings, or roasting a whole spatchcock chicken, in which case the breasts are still on the bone... 

Generally it's believed that once the surface gets hot enough, the meat won't really take up much smoke. So you might be able to shorten the smoke step (especially with the freezer/baste trick) and then finish them hotter and quicker... Might help with the moisture content to not go low and slow for as long? 

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« Reply #28753 on: February 02, 2024, 11:47:13 AM »
Last night's smoked chicken breasts were a rousing success, I'd say.  I took @betarhoalphadelta 's advice threw them on about 2 hours before I wanted them ready.  I tried the Smoke setting, which Traeger's webpage tells me is supposed to be about 160, floating between 160 and 180.  That was a bust, because for some reason the temp just kept climbing and climbing.  So after I realized it wasn't working as I expected, I switched it to 180, and the temp duly dropped and stayed there.  And indeed, that seemed to be the magic number on this model for lots of smoking. 

I kept them there about an hour and a half before knocking it up pretty high to go ahead and finish them off.  Real smokes, the ones where I can just slow-cook them the whole way, will probably be weekend affairs....not something I can pull off on a weekday, because we eat pretty early.

Anyway, they came out great, I thought.  I could really taste the hickory flavor of the pellets, and a nice amount of smoke flavor, although I could've done with a little more of that.  I'm sure they can be better.....since I'm not much of a griller of any kind at this point, I wondered if basting them up front might've helped some.  They weren't dry, but they were a little dryer than I am ultimately aiming for.  I was wondering if basting sooner would make them more moist and also if the sauce would help retain more of that smoke flavor.  I dunno. 

Anyway, good run to gauge how long that particular meat takes to do what it does at that temp, and got a pretty good sense of how many pellets will be required for smoking that long at those temps.  All good info.  And....I ain't mad at the chicken breasts.  Definitely better than just baking in the oven or doing them on the stove. 

Family liked them as well, and the wife did some good sides to go with.  Success!
Do you have a thermometer? Chicken breasts are pretty easy to overcook. You probably want them off at around 155 degrees. Or use fattier cuts that are harder to dry out.

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« Reply #28754 on: February 02, 2024, 11:55:39 AM »
It came with one, but I didn't use it last night.  I had not yet looked into what temp they should be so I didn't bother.  Thanks for the tip!  I'll try that next time and see how it goes. 

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« Reply #28755 on: February 02, 2024, 12:03:54 PM »
Yeah, I was just getting in the shower and thought "oh I should have mentioned temp". If you left them in low for ~90 minutes and then did 30 minutes at 350, you might have just overcooked them. Get a chicken breast up to internal temp of 170, and there's nothing you're going to do to save that. It's going to be dry. In fact, when I do a whole chicken, I pull it when the breasts are at 155 and let carryover cooking bring up the rest of the way. If you wait until the internal temp is 160, it'll be 165 or higher when you serve it and dry. 

Two things you need: a good instant-read thermometer, and a good leave-in thermometer. Without testing temp, everything you cook will be guesswork. Being new, that's just going to be frustrating. Even though I've been doing this a while, I'm not a line cook doing 150 steaks a night, so I rely on my thermometers for pretty much everything I cook anyway. 

 

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