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847badgerfan

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« Reply #28308 on: December 20, 2023, 02:15:52 PM »
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« Reply #28309 on: December 20, 2023, 02:49:25 PM »
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« Reply #28310 on: December 20, 2023, 07:00:47 PM »
Going to top of Mauna Kea now.

Hit a blizzard on top. Rangers sent us down. 
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« Reply #28311 on: December 21, 2023, 01:11:21 AM »
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« Reply #28312 on: December 21, 2023, 02:56:53 AM »
Maybe we should use real data. 

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« Reply #28313 on: December 21, 2023, 09:14:35 AM »
This is... not good.

Millions of student loan borrowers still aren’t paying their bills (foxbusiness.com)
back in the 90s when the ex wasn't paying her student loans they were preparing to garnish her husband's wages
so, I paid for that diploma from the U of Iowa
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« Reply #28315 on: December 21, 2023, 10:12:55 AM »
Maybe the decades-long stagnant wages come into play here....
Wages are stagnant for some, but not all. Anyone with a real degree or trade certificate does just fine.

Have you looked at the cost of education versus inflation in the past 30 or so years? 

My guess is you haven't, based on your statement.

Colleges have raised tuition because they know that students can get Government (taxpayer) backed loans, no matter the means or cost.

Maybe this will help you.


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« Reply #28316 on: December 21, 2023, 10:15:30 AM »
It would help if the loan services had their act together. They don't.

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4357918-borrowers-sue-student-loan-servicer/


It would help more if students got real degrees or certificates.

Too many kids go to college in this country, and many go just to go, or for all the wrong reasons.

CDawg has said 65% of US kid go to college, while that number is 35% in Utopia (Europe).
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« Reply #28317 on: December 21, 2023, 10:19:36 AM »
Student loan forgiveness for government workers (or anyone else) is not good.

You buy a car and don't pay? Here comes the repo man.

You buy a house and don't pay? Here comes the bank for your keys.

Why should student loans be forgiven (to gain voters)? 

How about "we" forgive all mortgages too?
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« Reply #28318 on: December 21, 2023, 10:39:33 AM »
It would help more if students got real degrees or certificates.

Too many kids go to college in this country, and many go just to go, or for all the wrong reasons.

CDawg has said 65% of US kid go to college, while that number is 35% in Utopia (Europe).
Yes in Europe they decide around 8th grade or so, whether you're likely to end up on a university track, or go into trades.  Then they start tailoring the secondary education toward those objectives, and feed students into the appropriate post-high-school educational facilities.  For 35%, that's university.  Everyone else is steered toward a trade that is better suited to their talents/desires/capabilities.

But unlike, here, the "trades" don't have so much of a negative connotation.  They're much more respected than here.  And the "trades" are better but also more widely defined.

For example, "Hopsitality/Service" is a well-respected trade.  Restaurant workers, hotel workers, bartenders-- they start out on this track in late high school and then have specific vocational training over the course of a year or two or three, underpinned by a strong job placement staff at most of the trade schools.  My friend and bartender at my hotel where I lived in France, had gone through secondary school targeted at hospitality, then a 2-year post-high-school program, and then basically served an apprenticeship of a couple of years, on cruise ships out of Port Canaveral, FL.  He was a bad-ass bartender who spoke multiple languages fluently, and could cook just a about anything.  Some of my favorite meals in France, were when he'd invite mt to his home and cook all sorts of French specialties.

Anyway, TL; DR -- universities were never meant to be used as vocational schools and they do a poor job of it. 

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« Reply #28319 on: December 21, 2023, 10:54:41 AM »
Student loan forgiveness for government workers (or anyone else) is not good.

You buy a car and don't pay? Here comes the repo man.

You buy a house and don't pay? Here comes the bank for your keys.

Why should student loans be forgiven (to gain voters)?

How about "we" forgive all mortgages too?
Student loan forgiveness means that talented people can afford to work in public service.

Maybe not so much for engineers, who can start right away and don't need a MS for a license, but especially when required to get six-figure masters degrees before becoming eligible to practice at pay rates that make Ebenezer Scrooge look benevolent. 

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« Reply #28320 on: December 21, 2023, 11:09:37 AM »
Student loan forgiveness for government workers (or anyone else) is not good.

You buy a car and don't pay? Here comes the repo man.

You buy a house and don't pay? Here comes the bank for your keys.

Why should student loans be forgiven (to gain voters)?

How about "we" forgive all mortgages too?
Counterpoint: you can get all sorts of debt forgiven for a variety of reasons. That has helped businesses and people move on from bad deals without being destitute, and increases risk taking and the economy. So why should young people increasing their education be treated differently?

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« Reply #28321 on: December 21, 2023, 11:14:01 AM »
Counterpoint: you can get all sorts of debt forgiven for a variety of reasons. That has helped businesses and people move on from bad deals without being destitute, and increases risk taking and the economy. So why should young people increasing their education be treated differently?
because they are reaching into our pockets and spending our money without approval
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