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« Reply #27454 on: October 28, 2023, 08:06:15 AM »
At its current pace, South Dakota is on pace to have 1 million residents as early as 2030 (909,824 as of July 2022, according to the U.S. Census). While almost 29,000 people chose to leave the Mount Rushmore State last year, even more decided to move in.

An estimated 34,859 people moved into South Dakota from another state last year, according to Census data released earlier this month.


Most didn’t have far to travel. Over 6,900 people relocated from Minnesota last year — that’s more people than from any other state. Minnesota is also the state South Dakota lost the most residents to, according to the Census.

The next-highest source of new residents wasn’t a state at all. Instead, Census estimates show nearly 3,600 people moved to South Dakota from a foreign country. The data set did not specify which countries people immigrated from.

Another nearby state, Iowa, supplied the third-most new South Dakotans at over 2,900. Roughly 2,100 new residents traveled much further to come here, as they moved from Georgia.

Others with short moves included the 2,109 from Nebraska, 1,512 from Wyoming, and 1,363 from Montana.
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« Reply #27455 on: October 28, 2023, 09:01:05 AM »
So they found the guy in Maine, dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Not only were his actions heinous, he's also a coward.
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« Reply #27456 on: October 28, 2023, 09:07:07 AM »
I would think he was seriously mentally ill.

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« Reply #27457 on: October 28, 2023, 09:14:47 AM »
As is often the case, but we don't really have anything in place for these people anymore. They just get lost in the system and then this stuff happens.
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« Reply #27458 on: October 28, 2023, 09:34:46 AM »
I'd like to see more effort to help folks with mental illness
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« Reply #27459 on: October 28, 2023, 09:44:16 AM »
A key problem with treating the mentally ill is a SCOTUS decision making it difficult to "lock" anyone up.  

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« Reply #27460 on: October 28, 2023, 09:47:58 AM »
A key problem with treating the mentally ill is a SCOTUS decision making it difficult to "lock" anyone up. 
Can you post this decision for us? I can't remember when that happened, or why.
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« Reply #27461 on: October 28, 2023, 09:49:37 AM »
O'Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563 (1975), was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court in mental health law ruling that a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves or with the help of willing and responsible family members or friends. Since the trial court jury found, upon ample evidence, that petitioner did so confine respondent, the Supreme Court upheld the trial court's conclusion that petitioner had violated respondent's right to liberty.[1][2][3] The case was important in the deinstitutionalization movement in the United States.[4]

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« Reply #27462 on: October 28, 2023, 09:53:52 AM »
I understand it may be difficult to treat someone that refuses treatment, but I think a helluva lot more could be done for those seeking treatment or open to the idea, at least at times.
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« Reply #27463 on: October 28, 2023, 10:03:56 AM »
I've had some experience in this area with a young kid and it's not pretty.  One major issue is that we have little medical abilities to treat much of this beyond things like thorazine.

But if you are not deemed a physical threat to yourself or others, any treatment has to be voluntary.

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« Reply #27464 on: October 28, 2023, 11:02:15 AM »
most people have had some experience in this area and it's not pretty.  One major issue is that there is no easy "silver bullet" like thorazine.

maybe an effort the like that of developing a COVID vaccine would lead to a step in the direction of improved treatment?

maybe not, but I think it is worth the effort
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« Reply #27465 on: October 28, 2023, 11:08:57 AM »
If the person in question does not WANT the help, there is nothing we or anyone can do.

This event is a fail on may levels. He was in the reserves. He was a firearm instructor. 

He was in an institution in July!!

How was this allowed to happen, for God's sake?
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« Reply #27466 on: October 28, 2023, 11:19:22 AM »
If the person in question does not WANT the help, there is nothing we or anyone can do.

He was in an institution in July!!
agreed

my point is that he was in an institution in July.
He may not have been willing but, he was in a place to get treatment/help.
Perhaps if there would have been an option for a more helpful treatment this might have been avoided.
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« Reply #27467 on: October 28, 2023, 12:50:55 PM »
I heard he recently lost his job, and if so, I don't think it's mental illness at all.

Guy loses his job, freaks out, and says, "fuck it, I'm going to do what I couldn't do before:  I'm going to matter.  People are going to know I exist!"

Goes out, kills a bunch of people, and comes back down to earth, with no step 2 of his plan.  And like 847 said, he's ultimately a coward, and offs himself.
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I think it's hopelessness. People who can't even keep a shitty job.  People looking at homelessness in the eye.  Men who are invisible to women.  
I give it a 90% chance he kept getting turned down in that sports bar or whatever place.  Or someone talked shit at him and no one backed him up.

Sad, lonely, and hopeless people lashing out isn't mental illness.  It's the sign of a broken society.  
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