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How about the woman in London arrested because she appeared to be preying outside an abortion clinic

It's a good argument for why the First Amendment is so damn important. Because, ya know, these are the kinds of things that you get when you don't have it. 

Always remember... When you try to take away someone else's right to freedom of speech, you're inherently admitting that yours might be up for debate too... That's true even if "someone else" is a collection of individuals in a corporate form. 

Got an example of someone in your tribe being prosecuted for protected speech?

(And no, the big orange thing in the room doesn't count--whether he is convicted for that or not will rest on whether his speech was "incitement", which is one of the very few exceptions that is not afforded protection.)

First I hate both tribes with a passion. 
second- I am not, never was and never will be a fan of the big orange thing in the room.

Lastly- why are choosing prosecution.  As your benchmark. Do you think anyone who was at the capitol on January 6th, and who did nothing but protest, has been prosecuted? ( hint- it is a big number)

Lastly again- can you not admit that powerful arms of the US Government ( CIA, DOJ, FBI, FHFA ) are not fully weaponized and controlled by one tribe right now?  Trying to control online speech, media, who gets prosecuted for what and who doesn’t, who has their home raided with TV cameras ther coincidentally?

Because if you can’t admit that- I can’t take you seriously on this topic. 

Disney is not being prosecuted. WTF are some of yous rambling on about?

They were granted EXTREME special privileges in 1967 by an act of legislation in the state of Florida. The state can decide to enact new legislation and revoke those EXTREME SPECIAL PRIVILEGES at any time it deems it wants to. Disney does NOT have the inalienable right to be it's own motherfu*king COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

How do the people of Florida feel?

According to exit polls, DeSantis won 65% of White voters, 13% of Black voters, and 58% of Latinos; of the latter group, DeSantis won 69% of Cubans and 56% of Puerto Ricans.^[6] DeSantis' large margin of victory was in part due to him flipping Democratic stronghold Miami-Dade County for the first time since 2002, and Palm Beach County for the first time since 1986, as well as winning Hillsborough, Osceola, Pinellas, and St. Lucie counties for the first time since 2006; this was also the first gubernatorial election since 2006 in which a candidate received over 50% of the vote. His 19.4% margin of victory was the largest since 1982 and the largest for a Republican since 1868. It was also the first time the governorship was won by double digits since 2002, and the first time it was won by over one million votes."

You call him  clown- fine.  But look who the other party is putting up there to run against him.   Gillum...are you kidding me.   And you wonder why Desantis got reelected so easily. Corruption, drugs, underage men in his room... but DeSantis is the clown.  

After losing to DeSantis, Andrew Gillum crashed and burned, taking the Florida Democratic Party with him | Opinion BY THE MIAMI HERALD EDITORIAL BOARD UPDATED APRIL 19, 2023 10:04 AM

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Gillum lost to Republican candidate DeSantis, then an unknown quantity in South Florida, by fewer than 34,000 votes, or 0.41 percentage points. If federal prosecutors are right, behind that enthusiastic, young candidate hid a different version of Gillum. The former mayor of Tallahassee and a former political adviser went to trial on corruption-related charges on Monday. It’s hard not to be relieved a sitting governor was not indicted. Although the Herald Editorial Board recommended him in 2018, it’s a stroke of luck Gillum didn’t win. Imagine the chaos and instability his arrest would have created were he in office. Gillum bears a big share of the blame for delivering us the semi-autocratic DeSantis. He was dogged during the 2018 campaign by an FBI public corruption investigation into Tallahassee City Hall. There were the tickets to Broadway’s hit musical “Hamilton” he got from undercover agents posing as developers. It’s likely that cost him at least some of those 34,000 votes that gave DeSantis a win. A Gillum governorship would have looked very different, minus the scandals. No culture wars in the state, no “Don’t say gay” law, no attacks on academic freedom at state universities, no six-week bans on abortion — a different, but, unfortunately, fantasy world. After his loss, Gillum promised to continue his fight, saying that, although he had lost to DeSantis, he would sign up 1 million more Democratic voters. It didn’t happen, then he unraveled. In 2020, Gillum was found by police in a South Beach hotel room in the company of a man who appeared to have overdosed on drugs. Rehab followed. And last year, he was indicted by a federal grand jury, accused of lying to FBI agents and defrauding campaign mega-donors and organizations that believed they were donating to legitimate political causes. He denies wrongdoing and accuses the investigation of being political, the same trope we have heard from Donald Trump about his legal issues. Gillum could have made history as the first Black governor of Florida, but his own


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DeSantis did not run against Gillum for reelection.  The exit polls you posted are ancient at this point, from 2018.

I'm well aware of what happened with Gillum.  Maybe you didn't notice, but the contest Between DeSantis vs Gillum was decided by a count of 49.6% to 49.2%.

What does that say about DeSantis if can barely beat a drug addict passed out in a South Beach hotel? Clown is what I'd call him.

You claim to "hate both tribes" but you sure are triggered when I criticize DeSantis.

To be fair, that happened after the election...

I'd say Florida dodged a bullet.

I used to like DeSantis, but much like #45, I find him to be not likeable anymore.

Getting past that hurdle, I like most of the policies that are in place now.

I do not like the new Constitutional carry law, for example. I believe everyone should be required to take training courses to have that right. It's one thing to be in possession in your home. Completely different animal to be out and about carrying a gun with no training.

I do not like that he changed the rules so he could run for POTUS while being Governor here. He should be Governing here and doing the job he was elected to do - FULL TIME. 

In my castle, <<looks behind to make sure the wife isn't watching>> of which I am king, we don't vote for politicians. We vote for policies.

To be fair, that happened after the election...

I'd say Florida dodged a bullet.

I used to like DeSantis, but much like #45, I find him to be not likeable anymore.

Getting past that hurdle, I like most of the policies that are in place now.

I do not like the new Constitutional carry law, for example. I believe everyone should be required to take training courses to have that right. It's one thing to be in possession in your home. Completely different animal to be out and about carrying a gun with no training.

I do not like that he changed the rules so he could run for POTUS while being Governor here. He should be Governing here and doing the job he was elected to do - FULL TIME.

In my castle, <<looks behind to make sure the wife isn't watching>> of which I am king, we don't vote for politicians. We vote for policies.

I never found him likable. Like you, I do agree with the majority of his policies. 

but what makes me root for him is the unwavering, generally false narratives in attacks by the media, and the people who believe it like certain people in this forum. 

“ oh- he is against black people”.  Yeah. Ok. 

First, figure out where any overseas security commitments should be retained, and only then figure what sort of military we need for that.  As I noted before, if we pulled back entirely from everything, we could spend a lot less on the military.  There are some probable reactions by other countries out there we might find disagreeable, but perhaps it's worth the cost.

overseas security commitments is a cute way of not saying what it's all about....empire.

our bases have nothing to do with "security commitments" and everything to do with...empire. we're the new Romans. except with way better weapons. and we're way f**king fatter and way f**cking dumber.