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So, I've been to one of them.

I've also been on Oman, which is the most obscure place I've ever visited.

The money is walking away. 

Whether it's out of state or to another county in the state or to another city in the county that's safer.

It's leaving the troubled areas, which will cause more trouble, as there will be less money in property and sales tax coming in. Stores are closing. Gas stations are closing. None of this is good for anyone.

It's an interesting question... I'm not sure it's who I suspect you're thinking of (the rich and business owners).

I suspect that those people are rich enough to live in the nicer areas and be insulated from all the negative stuff we've talked about endlessly. If you've got a lot of money, LA County is a terrific place to live.

I think the ones that are leaving are those in the middle to upper middle class who, due to cost, can't "get ahead" in those places, but have enough job mobility to relocate to a lower-cost area for higher quality of life. Especially those who are raising families.

I.e. for my rent I could move out of my 1200 sf 3bdr house on a postage stamp lot and buy a house next to @utee94 -- with likely a lower monthly take despite higher property taxes once you account for the fact that I'd no longer pay state income tax.

(Granted I'm not in LA County of course, so I'm not exactly who you're talking about.)

My next door neighbor is actually selling and moving out to the lake.

But don't get any ideas...

NYC also had strict gun laws and stop and frisk options for police back when.

NYC also had strict gun laws and stop and frisk options for police back when.

The gun laws aren't materially different.  

Stop and frisk is gone so the lower classes are MUCH more likely to carry since they have little to fear from the police.  This becomes a feedback loop because when the worst of them carry then more of the not-quite worst carry for self defense then more of the next group carry for self defense, etc.  

Not only is stop-and-frisk gone but shoplifting has been effectively legalized and police interactions have fallen off a cliff because the officers have more to fear from the criminals than the criminals have to fear from the police so the cops have retreated to the donut shop (I don't blame them) and the criminal class is settling their own disputes.  

In-and-of itself, I honestly wouldn't care about the above.  If Tony Soprano and Tony Montana want to settle their beef with bullets, the world is frankly better off without either of them so great.  The problem is that the criminal class doesn't actually engage in precision "wackings".  Instead, they generally utilize spray-and-pray tactics against a person or people who "dissed" them and these spray-and-pray shootings result in insane collateral damage.  

Thus you have war zones in the big cities.  

I prefer to stay were I live now. Almost every home around my area has multiple firearms and people proficient in their use. We also have almost zero crime in our area. I wonder if there is a correlation? 

NYC also had strict gun laws and stop and frisk options for police back when.

Oh stop and frisk. What a profoundly unAmerican thing.