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name one law that does that

Blue laws. Arbitrarily deciding *I* can't buy beer on Sunday because it's *your* sabbath. 

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$92/month for 5 years for a forever mattress seems like a smart move to me.

Just reinforcing my point.

That's a lot of good stuff, but I don't see the word "evidence" anywhere.

Well thanks.  But you didn't ask for "evidence". 

I would ask, though, what specifically in those texts you mentioned steered you towards believing?

So that's what I tried to address.  That's about as "specific" as I can get.  I'm not sure I have the capacity to condense or abridge either Lewis work mentioned, without doing it injustice.  And not sure I would, if I could.
Tell you what -- if you're really interested, I'll be happy to address specific topics that he covers.  Here's the table of contents of Mere Christianity, if that's helpful.  One thing -- if you want to continue this conversation, do me a favor and PM that you've responded.  This is a monster thread -- four or five pages added, since my last post.  Most of it stuff I don't have the slightest interest in.  So I won't know if you've responded, unless I get a notification.

Mere Christianity
By C.S. Lewis
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Book I. Right And Wrong As A Clue To The Meaning Of The Universe
1. The Law of Human Nature
2. Some Objections
3. The Reality of the Law
4. What Lies Behind the Law
5. We Have Cause to Be Uneasy
Book II What Christians Believe
1. The Rival Conceptions of God 2. The Invasion
3. The Shocking Alternative
4. The Perfect Penitent
5. The Practical Conclusion Book III. Christian Behaviour
1. The Three Parts of Morality 2. The "Cardinal Virtues"
3. Social Morality
4. Morality and Psychoanalysis 5. Sexual Morality
6. Christian Marriage 7. Forgiveness
8. The Great Sin
9. Charity
10. Hope 11. Faith 12. Faith
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Book IV. Beyond Personality: Or First Steps In The Doctrine Of The Trinity
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1. Making and Begetting
2. The Three-Personal God
3. Time and Beyond Time
4. Good Infection
5. The Obstinate Toy Soldiers 6. Two Notes
7. Let's Pretend
8. Is Christianity Hard or Easy? 9. Counting the Cost
10. Nice People or New Men 11. The New Men

Now, my experience is that these conversations tend to peter out at this point.  And -- all due respect -- but when people begin to demand "evidence" for the existence of God -- as in "empirical evidence" -- what they're really looking for are confirmations for their unbelief.  The evidence for God is necessarily inferential.  When it becomes "empirical", faith will no longer be needed.  Or possible.  Even the evidence for the existence of Jesus is inferential, as it is for nearly ALL figures from antiquity (the Egyptian Pharaohs would be exceptions.  We have their mummies).  We infer that Julius Caesar existed, because of historical writings.  Stuff named after him.  Etc.

Same with Jesus.  We infer that a story that features actual historical figures -- Pilate, Nicodemus, Joseph of Arimetha, Peter, Paul, John (the Baptist and the Apostle), Felix, Herod(s), Festus -- on and on -- has historical basis.  And the fact that He had followers who lived lives of toil and deprivation, and came to agonizingly bad ends, is further inference and indication of Jesus' existence.  People don't die for something they know to be untrue.

Let me know if any of the above provokes a response. 

Otherwise:  my work here is done.

Y'all be good -- heah?

Oh -- one last thing.  A really good presentation of MC, in video form, if anyone wants to get a taste.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmHXYhpEDfM

You can buy beer and wine in Texas on Sunday, but not hard liquor.

Yes, the blue laws are clearly religious in origin, and they're antiquated and stupid.

Not sure why anyone would argue otherwise.

You can buy beer and wine in Texas on Sunday, but not hard liquor.

Yes, the blue laws are clearly religious in origin, and they're antiquated and stupid.

Not sure why anyone would argue otherwise.

I never considered local laws in this discussion cause of course people are going to govern locally in accprdance with their own preference which many times is based on religion

But the other side to that coin is its local and does not affect other areas of the country


This country was founded on certain freedoms such as speech and religion and local laws often reflect that


Thats why some parts of Texas are dry alcohol wise to this day

Its interesting that on a national level you cant give an example of this but only on a local level

I never considered local laws in this discussion cause of course people are going to govern locally in accprdance with their own preference which many times is based on religion

But the other side to that coin is its local and does not affect other areas of the country


This country was founded on certain freedoms such as speech and religion and local laws often reflect that


Thats why some parts of Texas are dry alcohol wise to this day

Its interesting that on a national level you cant give an example of this but only on a local level

You're advocating for something like if 60% of locals want to ban furnikayshun out of wedlock, they can, and it's cool.  Because it's local.  Fuck the other 40%, they don't count.

My issue was never with federal laws, that's something you brought up.  I was talking about the president praying about important decisions.  That scares the hell out of me.  And so do you.

You're advocating for something like if 60% of locals want to ban furnikayshun out of wedlock, they can, and it's cool.  Because it's local.  Fuck the other 40%, they don't count.

My issue was never with federal laws, that's something you brought up.  I was talking about the president praying about important decisions.  That scares the hell out of me.  And so do you.

People feel the way they do about various issues for many reasons one of which might be religion and if that scares you just find out if a candidate ever prays and dont vote for him