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It's easiest to tread on this territory when a "fan" of a team that never achieves anything, though!

Sure, but this is a college football message board full of college football fans.

You remember what "fan" is short for?

A fanatic is a person with irrational attachment to something...

Kinda like being a nationalist?

I'm not making a qualitative statement here.

I'm just pointing out the facts.

If there's an argument against being a nationalist, then it is also the same argument against being a sports fan.

But what fun would it be, not to have a rooting interest in ANYthing?

Sounds pretty boring and dull to me.

I'm not making a qualitative statement here.

I'm just pointing out the facts.

If there's an argument against being a nationalist, then it is also the same argument against being a sports fan.

But what fun would it be, not to have a rooting interest in ANYthing?

Sounds pretty boring and dull to me.

Actually, it's more splitting hairs. Having a rooting interest and claiming someone else's accomplishments as your own are two different things. 

I want to see Purdue succeed. It would make me happy. I want to see America succeed. It makes me happy. 

But if Purdue wins a football or basketball game, although I've used the colloquial "we" in describing it, I know it's a bunch of 18-22 year old kids who don't know who I am or give a flying F about me, and that there really is no "we" just because we all attended the same university. 

Hell, I don't even donate to the John Purdue Club, so I can't even claim I'm funding them and financially supporting their success lol.

I think we're all "ists" for some things.  I think we all know it can go too far, we've cited examples.

as far as the moon landing is concerned some of us stayed up all night with Walter Cronkite to the final moment of landing

its very real to me and Im very proud to be a member of the country that did this

Well Biden is already working on workarounds, because I think that they knew he did not have the authority to wave off all that student debt

What kind of work around is feasible without Congress?  Delaying payments further?

The Court isn't able to say loan forgiveness is wrong - that would violate the plain language of the statute. The President's plan can change by the hour, and if they are committed to it they can come up with a new plan that is more narrowly tailored that could survive analysis.

Good to know his plan can "change by the hour" depending on, well, something.  Loan forgiveness happens pretty routinely.

Actually, it's more splitting hairs. Having a rooting interest and claiming someone else's accomplishments as your own are two different things.

I want to see Purdue succeed. It would make me happy. I want to see America succeed. It makes me happy.

But if Purdue wins a football or basketball game, although I've used the colloquial "we" in describing it, I know it's a bunch of 18-22 year old kids who don't know who I am or give a flying F about me, and that there really is no "we" just because we all attended the same university.

Hell, I don't even donate to the John Purdue Club, so I can't even claim I'm funding them and financially supporting their success lol.

The way many fans approach the game, I don't agree they're two different things at all.

But, I'm obviously only engaging in this discourse for academic reasons, I don't feel overly strong about it.

I'm fine with people wishing to cheer for their favorite team and treating the accomplishments of that team as an extension of themselves, just as I'm fine with people taking pride in their country and treating the accomplishments of their compatriots as an extension of themselves. The problems arise when it shifts from rooting FOR your own team or country, into hating those from other teams or countries.

But as evidenced by the hatred we sometimes see in sports fan behavior, this isn't something unique to nationalism.