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bayareabadger

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« Reply #24934 on: June 29, 2023, 10:40:32 AM »
I’ve been very happy with YouTube TV. A little worried the price is gonna go up with the new NFL deal.
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« Reply #24935 on: June 29, 2023, 10:41:06 AM »
It’s also amazing what a business misstep this entire streaming process has been.
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« Reply #24936 on: June 29, 2023, 10:45:46 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 29, 2023, 10:40:32 AM
I’ve been very happy with YouTube TV. A little worried the price is gonna go up with the new NFL deal.
Does YouTube TV have collections of old shows you can watch? I have never signed up for it, wasn't sure how it compared to Hulu in how it worked.
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« Reply #24937 on: June 29, 2023, 10:47:26 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 29, 2023, 10:41:06 AM
It’s also amazing what a business misstep this entire streaming process has been.
How so? 
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« Reply #24938 on: June 29, 2023, 10:56:02 AM »
I remember back in the day when I went to streaming, I bought Roku stuff on the recommendation of a long-lost poster called BWarbiany. 

He was a good dude.
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« Reply #24939 on: June 29, 2023, 10:58:35 AM »
Sounds like some of Putin's generals and commanders are starting to disappear. The purge begins and the little man grabs the power.
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« Reply #24940 on: June 29, 2023, 11:16:23 AM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 29, 2023, 10:41:06 AM
It’s also amazing what a business misstep this entire streaming process has been.

Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on June 29, 2023, 10:47:26 AM
How so?

Netflix was able to reach unbelievable profitability while it was the only show in town. Their success made the prospects of streaming appear way more lucrative than it really was, especially as the rest of Big Hollywood began crowding the room. Disney, Paramount, HBO, Amazon, Peacock, Apple...

Fast forward to now and Disney+ shed another 4 million subscribers during the first three months of 2023. Disney’s Hulu and ESPN+ services barely grew. To use Disney+ as the example, streaming has become a business with low profit margins that in the process of establishing itself is replacing a dependably profitable cable/satellite viewing sector.

The Streaming Wars started out as a fight to dethrone Netflix but are now more about survival than supremacy.
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« Reply #24941 on: June 29, 2023, 12:10:56 PM »
cable/satellite has been dealing with very low profit margins for decades

streaming is the same

the content providers keep jacking up the rates - subscribers are only willing to pay so much.

the content is expensive

the delivery method really doesn't matter too much

streaming has some advantages because of the investment in internet services overall, but the competition from many sources beat each other into the ground

margins are low, the only way to make $$$ is with volume of subscribers
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« Reply #24942 on: June 29, 2023, 12:34:04 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on June 29, 2023, 12:10:56 PM
cable/satellite has been dealing with very low profit margins for decades

streaming is the same

the content providers keep jacking up the rates - subscribers are only willing to pay so much.

the content is expensive

the delivery method really doesn't matter too much

streaming has some advantages because of the investment in internet services overall, but the competition from many sources beat each other into the ground

margins are low, the only way to make $$$ is with volume of subscribers
The company we have is called Broadstar, and they primarily serve HOA's. We don't see a bill from them. It's part of our HOA.

Now they are taking over the entire development here. That's 2000 units - maybe 2500.
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« Reply #24943 on: June 29, 2023, 12:38:06 PM »
Quote from: CatsbyAZ on June 29, 2023, 11:16:23 AM
Netflix was able to reach unbelievable profitability while it was the only show in town. Their success made the prospects of streaming appear way more lucrative than it really was, especially as the rest of Big Hollywood began crowding the room. Disney, Paramount, HBO, Amazon, Peacock, Apple...

Fast forward to now and Disney+ shed another 4 million subscribers during the first three months of 2023. Disney’s Hulu and ESPN+ services barely grew. To use Disney+ as the example, streaming has become a business with low profit margins that in the process of establishing itself is replacing a dependably profitable cable/satellite viewing sector.

The Streaming Wars started out as a fight to dethrone Netflix but are now more about survival than supremacy.
Ahh. I view it a little bit differently. 

Streaming was inevitable. The goal was to steal consumers away from cable/satellite.

  • The cable providers mostly wanted no part of streaming; they were fat and happy with things the way they were. 
  • The satellite providers (at least Dish, from talking to people who work there) had an incentive to get into streaming b/c satellite really served rural areas but it's harder to compete in urban areas with cable, and some residences (apartments, etc) may have restrictions that make it really difficult to put up a satellite dish. Many rural areas don't have enough broadband for streaming, so Sling (and DirecTV's streaming service before the AT&T merge and eventually killing it) were all about stealing subscribers from cable. 
  • The live TV entrants that came along (Hulu, YouTubeTV, etc), may not be profitable, but they are incremental revenue drivers for these companies as they're stealing subscribers from cable/satellite. So they were incentivized to get in. 
  • The standalone streaming services (AppleTV+, Peacock, Paramount, Disney+/ESPN+, HBO etc) were about content creators finding better ways to monetize their content without the cable/satellite/livestreaming TV providers pilfering off the profit margin for themselves. 

As Fearless says, content is king. That's what drives Netflix. That's why HBO paid a bunch of money for Friends. That's what AppleTV+ is banking on. That's why Hulu (owned by the mouse) bundles Disney+/ESPN+ in with Hulu Live TV--it's their own content that they're promoting. 

The streaming wars are about getting people to subscribe to your service because you have such compelling content that they feel they can't live without it. 

Which is frankly the same business model HBO has been using for decades.  
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« Reply #24944 on: June 29, 2023, 01:11:14 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 29, 2023, 10:58:35 AM
Sounds like some of Putin's generals and commanders are starting to disappear. The purge begins and the little man grabs the power.
He's got the beginnings of a nice little civil war. That should help improve things on the Ukrainian front.
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« Reply #24945 on: June 29, 2023, 01:29:23 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 29, 2023, 10:56:02 AM
I remember back in the day when I went to streaming, I bought Roku stuff on the recommendation of a long-lost poster called BWarbiany.

He was a good dude.
Yup.  I really like the Roku hardware interface, I prefer it to Amazon firestick and AppleTV, although the only AppleTV hardware I ever saw/used was a long time ago, probably first generation, so I can't comment on what it's like these days.
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« Reply #24946 on: June 29, 2023, 02:06:47 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on June 29, 2023, 01:29:23 PM
Yup.  I really like the Roku hardware interface, I prefer it to Amazon firestick and AppleTV, although the only AppleTV hardware I ever saw/used was a long time ago, probably first generation, so I can't comment on what it's like these days.

Yeah, I prefer Roku because it's independent. All they really do is hardware, so you know it's their focus, not some piece of kit that's intended to push their content. And I usually tell people to get the expensive one, instead of the stick, because you're going to get a better performing processor and more RAM, which will make the UI more responsive. 

We do have an AppleTV, which my wife had when we met. That's attached to the bedroom TV. But we really don't watch TV in there just about ever. 

Biggest complaint about AppleTV is their stupid remote. Buttons are great on a remote. I don't know why Apple is always so against buttons. 
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