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bayareabadger

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« Reply #24822 on: June 22, 2023, 10:05:56 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 22, 2023, 12:04:48 AM
Can we all agree that our justice system being influenced by a person's wealth is a bad thing?
I guess the counter argument would be that being wealthy makes it a perk?  Does anyone believe that?
Sure. But if we don't understand the ways that the wealth actually influences it (which are multiple and complex), we're just sort of bleating out into the void. 
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« Reply #24823 on: June 22, 2023, 10:11:21 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 22, 2023, 07:07:56 AM
All I know is if I were HB and my name wasn't HB, I'd be going to jail. Nothing political about it, at all.
If you were you? Hmmmm?

TBH, I don't know what's on your record. If it reflected your pristine persona here, you'd have a decent chance to dodge jail time based on everything I've read. 

Shoot, I lived in a town where a local college athlete got in a fight on social media with another girl, then drove to that girl's house, got in a physical altercation and didn't serve jail time. We have a system that holds off on jail for a lot of things unless you establish a pattern. 

(If you've served time as a Chicago mob hitter, then you might be in some hot soup)
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« Reply #24824 on: June 22, 2023, 01:00:52 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on June 22, 2023, 09:20:52 AM
Can we separate the Titanic submarine discussion from the political discussion?
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #24825 on: June 22, 2023, 01:15:52 PM »
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« Reply #24826 on: June 22, 2023, 01:26:26 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 22, 2023, 12:04:48 AM
Can we all agree that our justice system being influenced by a person's wealth is a bad thing?
I guess the counter argument would be that being wealthy makes it a perk?  Does anyone believe that?
it's not just the justice system that is influenced by wealth, it's the entire damn system. and you're right, it's very wrong. 

I'd argue status/connections are even more important than one's wealth. Look at David Paetreus, far as I can tell he wasn't some super wealthy guy, but he was a four star general, CIA director, Washington insider, and he got nothing more than having to resign and got a small slap on the wrist for something the Obama administration routinely burned lower level people at the stake for.
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« Reply #24827 on: June 22, 2023, 01:28:01 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 22, 2023, 07:05:10 AM
Marshall was pretty smart. The US liberated your country. The US is making a base.
Yeah, sure. That's what we have all those bases for. Liberating people. Lol. Not to maintain dominance and hegemony over the entire world....
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« Reply #24828 on: June 22, 2023, 01:29:01 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 22, 2023, 08:57:41 AM
Invite Ukraine to join NATO now | The Hill

I would opine against such a move ...
yeah, that will totally de-escalate tensions. Lol.
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #24829 on: June 22, 2023, 01:31:49 PM »
We have bases because we have security agreements all over the world.  It would be impossible to have those agreements and have no or few bases around.  If you don't like bases and military spending, you have to go after both by eliminating or reducing security agreements.

Force projection is very expensive.
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« Reply #24830 on: June 22, 2023, 01:37:16 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on June 22, 2023, 09:15:20 AM
As would I - unless the US was no longer a member.
Yeah, what you're saying just doesn't make any sense. 

NATO is a gang, and the US is the leader of that gang. It fails to exist if the US is no longer a member. US will never leave NATO. It's one of the many tools which the US has used to dominate the entire world.

If you read about this extensively, as I have, you'd realize this sh!tshow has it's seeds in the Bush administration. His insane push to put Ukraine on a pathway to NATO membership back in the late 2000s was advised against and derided by everyone in his administration from Fiona Hill to current CIA director Will Burns. The man truly was a moron of epic proportions whose disastrous policies hurt this country and this world deeply in ways it has yet to recover from. I'm typically against prosecuting US Presidents, but he should've been prosecuted by the world court and thrown in the Hague. I realize that is a fantasy because US doesn't recognize that court and has even passed legislation authorizing any US President to bomb and invade the Hague if any Americans are tried and imprisoned there....

W was legitimately the biggest criminal of all the Presidents in US history and also arguably the worst President this country has ever had. 
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #24831 on: June 22, 2023, 01:39:01 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on June 22, 2023, 09:18:04 AM
If Henry Kissinger says its the best course of action I would agree with it.  Nato is already in a proxy war and various members are threatened daily by Putin or one of his toadies.
if a vile war criminal like Henry Kissinger says so, then hey it must be right....
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« Reply #24832 on: June 22, 2023, 01:46:03 PM »
Quote from: bayareabadger on June 22, 2023, 01:15:52 PM
That movie rules.
"Jesus saves, George Nelson withdraws!"


"This band of miscreants, this very evening, interfered with a lynch mob in the performance of its duty."
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #24833 on: June 22, 2023, 01:47:33 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on June 22, 2023, 01:31:49 PM
We have bases because we have security agreements all over the world.  It would be impossible to have those agreements and have no or few bases around.  If you don't like bases and military spending, you have to go after both by eliminating or reducing security agreements.

Force projection is very expensive.
Lol. "Security agreements"....yeah, that's it. 

For example, all those bases in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, are to protect the people and provide security! Not to prop up and support heinous oppressive murderous family dictatorships....we're the good guys! 
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #24834 on: June 22, 2023, 01:53:04 PM »
Like it or not, we do have explicit or implicit security arrangements with various countries, and feel the need to be able to project force from something other than aircraft carriers.

Ref-0213-US-Military-Bases-and-Facilities-Middle-East.pdf (americansecurityproject.org)

I don't personally think of the UAE as a "murderous dictatorship".  It's an interesting place, I've been there.

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #24835 on: June 22, 2023, 01:59:28 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on June 22, 2023, 01:39:01 PM
if a vile war criminal like Henry Kissinger says so, then hey it must be right....
He saw action in the Battle of the Bulge,joining the US army after his family fled the NAZI's in 1938 as soon as he was of age.Perhaps seeing Brezhnev/Mao behind the curtain in SE Asia may have spawned some of his decisions. Because as you know they always practiced fair play and courtly manners,Right? I'm convinced had a member of the Mdot clan got involved they could have got it sorted and a happy agreement arranged for all involved
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