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« Reply #24500 on: June 14, 2023, 12:40:46 AM »
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« Reply #24501 on: June 14, 2023, 09:09:39 AM »
Housing inflation will almost surely fall soon, say economists (cnbc.com)


  • Shelter is the largest component of the consumer price index.
  • The category, therefore, has a big influence on the direction of overall inflation.
  • Housing trends feed through to the CPI with a substantial lag. Economists think a reversal is essentially guaranteed in the second half of the year.


I suspect the housing market has peaked and could drop rather dramatically.  Interest rates are of course one driver, pent up demand is another, which I'm guessing is also peaking.  Inventory of single family around here is still quite low.


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« Reply #24502 on: June 14, 2023, 09:37:06 AM »
I think housing is going to be relatively OK. 

Lennar and DR Horton are building like crazy, all over the country, including Illinois, Indiana and Wisconsin. My firm has a ton of work with those two, and some smaller ones. We're trying to get in with Toll Brothers.

Apartments are nuts too.

What scares me is the credit card debt being carried as families have had to navigate inflation.

Another one is office space vacancies. This is very worrisome, but we are starting to see office/malls be converted to condo and apartment. That is encouraging.
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« Reply #24503 on: June 14, 2023, 09:40:50 AM »
Edens to Redevelop North DeKalb Mall in Decatur, Georgia to 2.5 MSF Mixed-Use Development - REBusinessOnline

DECATUR, GA. — Edens plans to transform North DeKalb Mall, an enclosed regional shopping mall in the Atlanta suburb of Decatur, into a 2.5 million-square-foot mixed-use development called Lulah Hills. Edens acquired the 622,297-square-foot mall in 2021 and rezoned the 73-acre site in 2022 to allow for mixed-use development. At its full build-out, Lulah Hills will feature 320,000 square feet of retail and restaurant space, 1,700 multifamily units, 100 townhomes, a 150-room hotel and a Path Foundation trail connection to nearby Emory University.

North DeKalb Mall opened in 1965 and served as the first fully enclosed mall in metro Atlanta. Demolition of the mall is expected to begin later this year, with initial phases of the project to be completed by 2025. Edens owns and operates 1.5 million square feet of retail space in metro Atlanta, including Toco Hills, Merchants Walk, Andrews Square, Buckhead Marketplace, Moores Mill and Park Place.


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« Reply #24504 on: June 14, 2023, 09:42:10 AM »
Apartment buildings are going up all around us here, it's crazy, a few of them include office space on the lower floors, which I don't understand (office space is over built now).  Some condo towers are going up as well, but mostly it's apartments because younger folks have income but debt and no savings.

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« Reply #24505 on: June 14, 2023, 09:52:03 AM »
Apartment buildings are going up all around us here, it's crazy, a few of them include office space on the lower floors, which I don't understand (office space is over built now).  Some condo towers are going up as well, but mostly it's apartments because younger folks have income but debt and no savings.
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« Reply #24506 on: June 14, 2023, 10:05:23 AM »
I suspect the housing market has peaked and could drop rather dramatically.  Interest rates are of course one driver, pent up demand is another, which I'm guessing is also peaking.  Inventory of single family around here is still quite low.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/home-foreclosures-rising-in-us-where-which-states-rcna88394

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As the cost of living in the U.S. continues to climb, foreclosures are also on the rise.

May foreclosure-related filings, which include default notices, scheduled auctions and bank repossessions, were up 7% from April and up 14% from a year ago, to 35,196 properties, according to the real estate data group ATTOM.

Lenders began the foreclosure process on 23,245 properties in May, up 4% from last month and up 5% from a year ago. States with the most foreclosure starts in May included Florida, where 2,901 foreclosures got underway, followed by California, with 2,451 foreclosures started, and Texas, where 2,286 properties fell into the foreclosure column.

Illinois and New York foreclosure starts came in at 1,358 and 1,287, respectively.

What I've been seeing is that the housing prices are based on a lack of inventory. The lack of inventory is based on people not being willing to sell, because there's no place to buy, so people are standing pat on their housing unless they MUST sell. Everyone knows that current prices are unaffordable, but even people with decent amounts of equity equity don't want to sell because it's so impossible to find a place they want to buy that they can actually win the multiple-offer war. 

Well, foreclosures lead to "must" sales. Which could finally get inventory up, which should bring some prices down. 

The question is how big will the correction be and how long will it take. 

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« Reply #24507 on: June 14, 2023, 10:09:04 AM »
When we were looking at houses, there was definitely downward pressure at the $500K price point, even for want of inventory. Lennar and DR Horton are cranking out the new builds out on the Lakeville and Carver prairie, but both the Mrs. and I were really unimpressed with the both the options and the price points for those options. 

Then again, split levels that should have been going for $350K were going for $400K to $425K with multiple offers in short order.

We had no problem whatsoever selling our house for well over what the posting price was.

Who the hell knows what to make of real estate anymore.

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« Reply #24508 on: June 14, 2023, 10:09:24 AM »
"The question is how big will the correction be and how long will it take."



This depends on inflation, and when it comes down to target levels.
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« Reply #24509 on: June 14, 2023, 10:10:40 AM »
When we were looking at houses, there was definitely downward pressure at the $500K price point, even for want of inventory. Lennar and DR Horton are cranking out the new builds out on the Lakeville and Carver prairie, but both the Mrs. and I were really unimpressed with the both the options and the price points for those options. 

Then again, split levels that should have been going for $350K were going for $400K to $425K with multiple offers in short order.

We had no problem whatsoever selling our house for well over what the posting price was.

Who the hell knows what to make of real estate anymore.
Definitely been a wild ride for 3 years.
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« Reply #24510 on: June 14, 2023, 10:13:34 AM »
"The question is how big will the correction be and how long will it take."

This depends on inflation, and when it comes down to target levels.
Well they're kinda tied together, as CD's link pointed out. If housing prices fall, inflation falls because housing prices are a big part of the CPI. If housing prices don't fall, you're going to have to see stagnation or a big fall in other prices to see inflation come down, because housing prices are a big part of the CPI. 

So they might fall together, but it could be that a housing correction is the REASON that tracked inflation levels drop, not the REACTION to inflation dropping. 

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« Reply #24511 on: June 14, 2023, 10:26:23 AM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/home-foreclosures-rising-in-us-where-which-states-rcna88394

What I've been seeing is that the housing prices are based on a lack of inventory. The lack of inventory is based on people not being willing to sell, because there's no place to buy, so people are standing pat on their housing unless they MUST sell. Everyone knows that current prices are unaffordable, but even people with decent amounts of equity equity don't want to sell because it's so impossible to find a place they want to buy that they can actually win the multiple-offer war.

Well, foreclosures lead to "must" sales. Which could finally get inventory up, which should bring some prices down.

The question is how big will the correction be and how long will it take.

Pretty much nailed it. 

The cost of a home, the cost of insurance, for that home, and the cost of the money to borrow to acquire that home, combine with all the other costs, like gas, groceries, household goods, has really killed housing market.

more than anything else the lack of inventory is what is driving prices and as you say, no one wants to give up their 2.75 interest rate for the current rates which are mid 7s and higher.

while there is plenty of homebuilding going on, it’s actually quite low from a historical point of view. 

it is a bit of a vicious circle, because between the inventory, not being there and peoples unwillingness to move to that next house, whether it be first home or step up home, or retirement home, I think we’re going to see rough times in the housing market for at least another year, if not more 

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« Reply #24513 on: June 14, 2023, 10:46:41 AM »
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