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longhorn320

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« Reply #24374 on: June 11, 2023, 09:08:58 PM »
i don't think you understand what "single anecdote" means.
Your friend's PTA attendance and ghastly revelations do not equate to nation-wide prevalence.  Why are you completely incapable of understanding that?
Oh, and your sources on the previous post are comical.  You live n a bubble where everyone in your tribe is against INEVITABLE social progress.
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And no, parents very often don't get it right.  Avoiding topics that are confusing and *gasp* sexual until "the right time" leads to 15 year olds being pregnant.  The most religious/rural states of our country still have the highest rates of teen pregnancy.  By far.  Why?  BECAUSE PARENTS DON'T ADDRESS IT, BY AND LARGE.  It's hush-hush. 
No, trying the same head-in-the-sand tactic for all the other "sins" you have a problem with isn't a good strategy.  You're so obsessed with being outraged that schools may or may not be informing students of these REALITIES that you never stopped to ponder WHY the schools feel the need to do so.
BECAUSE TOO MANY PARENTS DON'T ADDRESS IT THEMSELVES.  You know, something a little more nuanced than, "no son of mine is gonna be queer!"
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You're the mud that slows the society at large from improving as a whole.
Its not the school's responsibility to raise children
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« Reply #24375 on: June 11, 2023, 09:15:24 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on Today at 11:14:55 AMLonghorn:
what transgender means and oh by the way are they themselves transgender also if so dont worry we wont tell your parents cause its none of their business

I also feel its wrong for biological males to compete in female sports and share dressing rooms


So don't inform students what a word means?  Teaching = informing
Why do parents need to be informed that a teacher is transgendered?  Do you not see how this is racism all over again?  I've dealt with sexism from parents, as if I became a teacher to what...do something inappropriate with their child?
Your issue with trans people is exactly the same thing.  It's despicable.
As a parent I didnt give two hoots in hell about whether or not a teacher was transgendered as it should make no difference in teaching the children proper curriculum

just because a teacher is transgendered is no reason to discuss the subject

not sure how you tie this to sexism but I guess thats your only out
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« Reply #24376 on: June 11, 2023, 09:23:07 PM »
Its not the school's responsibility to raise children
A - so when parents abscond that responsibility, we just let the children wander aimlessly
B - if your child is with me for 6-7 hours per day, pretending I'm not having a major influence on them is hilariious
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« Reply #24377 on: June 11, 2023, 09:23:50 PM »
As a parent I didnt give two hoots in hell about whether or not a teacher was transgendered as it should make no difference in teaching the children proper curriculum

just because a teacher is transgendered is no reason to discuss the subject

not sure how you tie this to sexism but I guess thats your only out
Uhhh kids ask questions.
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« Reply #24378 on: June 11, 2023, 10:02:44 PM »
A - so when parents abscond that responsibility, we just let the children wander aimlessly
B - if your child is with me for 6-7 hours per day, pretending I'm not having a major influence on them is hilariious
if the parent is absent the law provides for alternatives none of which involve the school system

having a major influence in their life does not give teachers parental rights
this is perhaps the biggest mistake made by teachers
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« Reply #24379 on: June 11, 2023, 10:07:39 PM »
Uhhh kids ask questions.

and sometimes the answer should be to ask your parents

again a teacher is not the parent and should stick to teaching proper lesson plans which have been approved by the school system
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« Reply #24380 on: June 11, 2023, 10:26:02 PM »
Its not the school's responsibility to raise children
This seems like a kind of weird bit of semantics.

It has a very narrow definition of “raise,” as we can all agree it is a school‘s responsibility to care for, educate, socialize and to some degree protect children. So the argument is that acts like that do not contribute to the “raising“ of a child.

but the definition does include alerting children to things that their parents simply don’t want them to know about the world at given points. It’s an interesting space.(there’s also sort of a wonky element because we will be forever talking past each other in terms of the meaning of the words being argued about)

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« Reply #24381 on: June 11, 2023, 10:34:04 PM »
if the parent is absent the law provides for alternatives none of which involve the school system

having a major influence in their life does not give teachers parental rights
this is perhaps the biggest mistake made by teachers
It's not even a conscious decision.  With a lack of guidance and care at home, a child is going to find it at school.  Just by sheer amount of time spent there.
I can aim to influence your child 0% of the time and still influence them in a major way.  It's inherent.  
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« Reply #24382 on: June 11, 2023, 10:35:00 PM »
and sometimes the answer should be to ask your parents

again a teacher is not the parent and should stick to teaching proper lesson plans which have been approved by the school system
So if your child has questions about their transgender teacher and you don't know the teacher is transgender, how is that going to go?
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« Reply #24383 on: June 11, 2023, 10:40:33 PM »
It doesn't even have to do with academics.
Much of school is guiding students to navigate social situations that cannot even occur at home.  How does a boy properly adjust his behavior when interacting with girls, if he has no sisters at home?
How does a kid figure out how to act in a group of 25 other kids when they only have 1 sibling at home? 
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We have 5 year olds at school that have been told by their parents to always hit back in a physical altercation.  The parent is guaranteeing that their child get in as much trouble as possible at an age that neither child can really injure each other.  So to avoid that, a teacher has to expose the student to the idea that there are rules at home and different rules at school or the store or the beach or a library.  Thanks to that parent, who's singular message seems to be "just start swingin'" in every threatened instance.
It's a joke.
Leaving it all on the parents is how you get 12 year olds that don't trust the police and inevitably get in horrible situations.  It's how all of the bad -isms perpetuate through the generations.  
Actually, that's brilliant.  You're right.  By having unprotected sex, people get the right to ruin the life they make.  
I can't argue against that.  I'm wrong.  
« Last Edit: June 11, 2023, 10:45:44 PM by OrangeAfroMan »
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« Reply #24384 on: June 11, 2023, 10:42:07 PM »
So if your child has questions about their transgender teacher and you don't know the teacher is transgender, how is that going to go?
parent teacher conference after which the parent answers the question in the manner they wish
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« Reply #24385 on: June 11, 2023, 10:44:13 PM »
It doesn't even have to do with academics.
Much of school is guiding students to navigate social situations that cannot even occur at home.  How does a boy properly adjust his behavior when interacting with girls, if he has no sisters at home?
How does a kid figure out how to act in a group of 25 other kids when they only have 1 sibling at home? 
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We have 5 year olds at school that have been told by their parents to always hit back in a physical altercation.  The parent is guaranteeing that their child get in as much trouble as possible at an age that neither child can really injure each other.  So to avoid that, a teacher has to expose the student to the idea that there are rules at home and different rules at school or the store or the beach or a library.  Thanks to that parent, who's singular message seems to be "just start swingin'" in every threatened instance.
It's a joke.

parent teacher conference they do happen as I must have attended at least 10
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« Reply #24386 on: June 11, 2023, 10:46:55 PM »
parent teacher conference after which the parent answers the question in the manner they wish
Yeah, you're supposing parental participation.  
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« Reply #24387 on: June 11, 2023, 10:53:13 PM »
This seems like a kind of weird bit of semantics.

It has a very narrow definition of “raise,” as we can all agree it is a school‘s responsibility to care for, educate, socialize and to some degree protect children. So the argument is that acts like that do not contribute to the “raising“ of a child.

but the definition does include alerting children to things that their parents simply don’t want them to know about the world at given points. It’s an interesting space.(there’s also sort of a wonky element because we will be forever talking past each other in terms of the meaning of the words being argued about)
During school hours the school is responsible for the childs safety but there are many other things socially the school is not responsible for but thinks it is

again its not the job of the school to inform a child of things that the parent does not

the purpose of school is to teach properly approved lesson plans not to inform the student that there are more then two genders or if your white you are guilty of systemic racism


now I think Ive made this as clear as possible and if you feel differently so be it 
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