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« Reply #23716 on: May 18, 2023, 03:51:48 AM »
That's why I'm flummoxed how there isn't a real transportation option between driving 60 mph and being responsible for your own car's operation AND flying 5 miles in the air at 600 mph in a giant tube, maintained by trained professionals.
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I had a trip that wasn't time-sensitive and looked into a train trip, but was stunned by the prices.  Go slow AND pay a lot?!?  Brilliant!
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The train thing in CA was going to be a failure from the start.  From strictly a known, red-tape issue, CA is the number 1 worst place to build such a thing.  Might as well build igloos in Phoenix.  Run a marathon up a snowy mountain with no shoes on.  Go hunting for skyscrapers in Wheeling, WV.  Waste of time.
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« Reply #23717 on: May 18, 2023, 05:41:01 AM »
Red tape was not the issue, really, it was lack of funding, known at the start of this, by everyone.  High speed rail is very expensive, everywhere, that's why it doesn't exist here.  Only national governments can "afford" to build it, and then subsidize it so rates are not stratospheric.  The French TGV was built by government, operated by government, and subsidized heavily, there is no economics that works otherwise.  Americans ride it once or twice and think "Why don't we have this?".

Sure thing, pony up, many billions.  A private company is constructing "Brightline" in Florida, it runs at 125 mph on specific stretches of track.  I hope it works for them, I would not invest in the project at all.  Americans prefer personal transportation despite the expense.

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« Reply #23718 on: May 18, 2023, 06:03:07 AM »
We could easily have a thread on silly rankings, I view this as one.

Ranking the top 25 Power Five college football coaches entering the 2023 season - CBSSports.com

Aside from bickering over their choices, I just wonder how anyone can rank coaches, really, beyond some obvious things.  Mostly this just reflects recent program success.  We know success relfects recruiting, which is a part of coaching, and assistants, and money, etc. as well as game day decisions and scheme.  What about a so so coach who has great assistants and is in a great recruiting territory versus a guy at "Kansas State" who is 3-9 but getting the most out of his players?

Meh, it's the off season of course, we can expect more of this.  

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« Reply #23719 on: May 18, 2023, 07:28:28 AM »
Red tape was not the issue, really, it was lack of funding, known at the start of this, by everyone.  High speed rail is very expensive, everywhere, that's why it doesn't exist here.  Only national governments can "afford" to build it, and then subsidize it so rates are not stratospheric.  The French TGV was built by government, operated by government, and subsidized heavily, there is no economics that works otherwise.  Americans ride it once or twice and think "Why don't we have this?".

Sure thing, pony up, many billions.  A private company is constructing "Brightline" in Florida, it runs at 125 mph on specific stretches of track.  I hope it works for them, I would not invest in the project at all.  Americans prefer personal transportation despite the expense.
So, if we weren't funding a crappy country's war, we could have HSR in the country.

Brightline is working very well, by the way.
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« Reply #23720 on: May 18, 2023, 07:40:20 AM »
HSR would cost far far more than whatever we're sending Ukraine, and on a going basis.  Of more import I think is our deficit and debt.

As I said, I hope Brightline works out, it's a more modest approach versus the California debacle.  It should be workable in densely populated areas with a lot of tourists etc.  The Accela system works in the NE corridor pretty well also.  That trains dump you off in the middle of town mostly.  What won't work well I think is a  train from say Atlanta to DC or New Orleans at 125 mph (unless subsidized).  And to go faster means a lot more money.




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« Reply #23721 on: May 18, 2023, 07:44:05 AM »
Amtrak doesn't work because riding on Amtrak is like riding on Greyhound.

HSR in Europe is like flying on Delta.

We don't rent cars in Europe. We would if they had Amtrak.
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« Reply #23722 on: May 18, 2023, 07:46:29 AM »
As I said, things like the TGV only are practicable if government built and government subsidized.  There is no business model for it at all.

We nearly always have a car rental mostly because we're going to weird places off the beaten path.

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« Reply #23723 on: May 18, 2023, 07:54:05 AM »
We hire taxis for that.
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« Reply #23724 on: May 18, 2023, 08:02:39 AM »
My wife wanted to take a taxi from the airport last time we flew in.  I was tired, so we did.  The bill was 200 Eu to get to Fontainebleau.
Friends live near there and did cart us around for a day to have dinner and lunch and see a few sights which helped.  We then took a bus tour of southern France (which worked out OK).  On return, we shared a ride to Paris with another lady who was on the tour.  A taxi would have been $200 plus.  But then there is parking.

We managed on that trip with no rental car, but I think in every other case we've had a car.

We got comped a bottle of Champagne at the Hilton at CDG where we usually stay the night before returning for having stayed there so often.


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« Reply #23725 on: May 18, 2023, 09:38:20 AM »
Red tape was not the issue, really, it was lack of funding, known at the start of this, by everyone.  High speed rail is very expensive, everywhere, that's why it doesn't exist here.  Only national governments can "afford" to build it, and then subsidize it so rates are not stratospheric. 
That's why any who either initiated or profited from it should be in the Big House or payback their ill gotten gaines.Then we can go after congress and the conglomerates. After that is accomplished i'm going to play cards in the garage behind my house near the woods - with Emelia Earhart,Jimmy Hoffa,Elvis,DB Cooper,sasquatch and ET if he hasn't went home yet
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« Reply #23726 on: May 18, 2023, 09:50:26 AM »
That's why any who either initiated or profited from it should be in the Big House or payback their ill gotten gaines.Then we can go after congress and the conglomerates. After that is accomplished i'm going to play cards in the garage behind my house near the woods - with Emelia Earhart,Jimmy Hoffa,Elvis,DB Cooper,sasquatch and ET if he hasn't went home yet
Yeah, as you say, none of us expect anything like this.  VERY few in "public life" pay any real consequences for their actions, which is one reason they persist doing stuff with impunity.  Occasionally some doctor may get indicted for Medicare fraud, which is a drop in ...

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« Reply #23727 on: May 18, 2023, 09:52:11 AM »
The Italian Frecciarossa is also awesome. However, it took a long time for the Italian government to overhaul the structure of it's railroads. It started in 1980, and has taken almost an entire generation and the entrant of a competitor (Italo) to get things to where they are now.

This study from the International Transport Forum is a fascinating read on such things.

https://www.itf-oecd.org/sites/default/files/docs/high-speed-rail-competition-italy.pdf

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« Reply #23728 on: May 18, 2023, 09:53:22 AM »
https://www.railfreight.com/railfreight/2023/03/16/italian-state-subsidies-for-rail-freight-are-the-lowest-since-2018/?gdpr=accept

The Italian railways do take a state subsidy, but it's a quarter of that of the subsidy of roadway transport. 


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One of the main complaints brought up by Rizzi is the difference in state incentives between the road and rail freight sectors. To better contextualise, 25 million euros were allocated as state subsidies for the road sector just for the period between 3 October and 16 November 2022. On the other hand, the rail industry is getting 22 million on a yearly basis for the next three years. According to Rizzi, these subsidies should actually keep increasing because a growth in volumes means more costs for the sector. Moreover, these subsidies should be viewed as investments, considering all the advantages that the rail brings.


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« Reply #23729 on: May 18, 2023, 10:01:11 AM »
I recently checked the price of a train from Marseille to Florence, Italy.  Flying was cheaper and faster.  I got a note that Delta restarted the nonstop from here to Nice and I thought that could be a nice trip, visit Marseille and the daugher in law and then Florence.  I figured we could take the train from one to the other.  Plane fares are weird.

But I'm not going to take a train when flying is cheaper and faster.

 

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