header pic

Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The 'Old' CFN/Scout Crowd- Enjoy Civil discussion, game analytics, in depth player and coaching 'takes' and discussing topics surrounding the game. You can even have your own free board, all you have to do is ask!!!

Anyone is welcomed and encouraged to join our FREE site and to take part in our community- a community with you- the user, the fan, -and the person- will be protected from intrusive actions and with a clean place to interact.


Author

Topic: In other news ...

 (Read 1012658 times)

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12222
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23352 on: May 08, 2023, 11:58:46 AM »
What % of the US population is transgender? According to recent surveys and other efforts its been estimated at about one third of one percent or approx 1 million citizens

If AB actually undertook this move to reach out to new audiences it was a stupid move and not worth the money invested
That particular influencer reportedly has 8M followers, so even if there are only 1M transgender people in the US, the message will reach a lot more people than just the trans folks.

I'm sure that Bud Light is probably seen by some in that community and in the group of people that support that community as less than inclusive, and this was intended IMHO to offer PR that Bud Light is inclusive. Or at the very least to raise brand awareness. 

Apparently there was next to nothing invested from a monetary standpoint, so it's not like this was a multi-million dollar Super Bowl commercial. 


betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12222
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23353 on: May 08, 2023, 12:12:17 PM »
Typically when the free market tends towards monopolies in particular industry, it is because of entry barriers in the market.  For some it can be material costs, others Labor cost and in this day and age government regulations, taxes, fees, etc.  In a true free market without interference, in a monopoly situtation, the lure of profit were become great enough for a competitor to enter the market and compete.  Now we could argue whether there are "natural" monopolies but most sectors are not that.  Given minimal barriers to entry into a market, there will be very few monopolies, it is a natural result of supply and demand in a "true" free market. Adam Smith's hand works wonders when left alone.
I'd argue that "tends towards monopolies" actually becomes "tends towards oligopolies". One reason for that is that customers usually want multiple companies competing for their business, so they want to make sure that you don't have a single supplier for critical things. 

As an example, the airlines want both Boeing and Airbus to remain healthy. Because if only one survives, that company can extract outsized profits. 

But I work in an industry that is an oligopoly. The barrier to entry is tech. We have two main products:

  • The first is a finished good that market economics have led to be very highly vertically integrated. The amount of technology required to remain cutting edge in this product are absolutely astounding. It would effectively be impossible for a new entrant to make a splash here without basically unlimited funding. Today there are only three companies in the world that supply this product. 
  • The second is a major technology that is the foundation for companies to build other finished goods. Thus in the market, there are quite a lot of finished goods makers, but the actual underpinning components are only sourced from 4 companies, or 5/6 depending on how you count certain joint ventures/etc, but I count it as 4. To build a new fabrication plant in this industry costs somewhere between $5-10B. China, however, is trying to enter this market with an upstart company, throwing billions and billions of yuan at it, to make it 5. 

It's why both industries used as examples of monopolies (potato chips and beer) are so terrible. There are effectively zero barriers to entry in either market. The barriers tend to start appearing when you really try to scale up, and that's generally when you need to be acquired to deliver at scale. 

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12222
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23354 on: May 08, 2023, 12:28:48 PM »
For me and almost all of the small business owners I know - and I know a lot of them - there is but one goal in the end.

That goal is to build a company that is strong enough to be A) acquired by a larger company for a large sum or B) acquired by employees at an amount equal to or greater than a nice pension.

I would have preferred A, but I worried about what the larger company might do to the great employees. So I chose B.

Everyone is happy.
I would say that there are a lot of businesses that don't have either of those goals. I generally use the term "lifestyle businesses" for those. 

One example would be a brewery that has no desire to be the next Sierra Nevada or Samuel Adams. It's generally started by someone who knows they have to earn a living, has a passion for beer, and would rather start a small brewery so that they work for themselves doing something they love rather than going to some job working for someone else that they dread every morning. All they really want is a business that they can control and that pays them enough money to live the lifestyle they want. More is always good, but they're not getting into it with an "exit strategy" of being acquired. (Not that they'd turn down a few million in most cases, of course, but there are rarely prospective buyers of this type of brewery willing to spend it.)

Another example is my dad. He spent his career as a self-employed architect. He actually worked for a big firm in Chicago early in his career. He even had some design work on the Hancock Building. He was a "rising star" and could have risen up the ranks in that firm, getting loftier and loftier titles and taking on more and more management responsibility. But he hated it. So he started his own firm. His office was most of the bottom floor of our house (absent garage and laundry room). My entire childhood he usually had one draftsman working for him (occasionally two). He taught architecture at College of Dupage on the side and loved it. He always had enough work coming in that he could turn down work, and never advertised--he stayed busy entirely through referrals. He did it because he loved the creative work of being an architect and working for himself gave him the freedom to earn a living without a lot of the BS that comes from "going to work". He could have grown that practice any time he chose--but he liked it the way it was and it (plus my mom's income) gave them enough income to raise three kids out in the suburbs.

For a business like a neighborhood brewery, the exit strategy is to sell it for a modest sum (essentially what it would cost someone else to start a brewery) when you're ready to retire, unless perhaps you pass it down in the family. For something like my dad, it was to retire and just close shop because the business had no sale value without him doing the drawing. 

I think a lot of lifestyle businesses are started because the owner needs to earn a living, and just wants to do it on their own terms. 

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23355 on: May 08, 2023, 12:36:38 PM »
Well, my view and the view of most others I know is different.

Having a business to simply make a living is a hobby disguised as a business.

I have nothing against this, for the record. To each their own.

I wanted something much more, for me and my people.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

MrNubbz

  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Default Avatar
  • Posts: 17168
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23356 on: May 08, 2023, 12:50:01 PM »
V.E. Day today Kudos to all the brave souls that served/fought/sacrificed
Suburbia:Where they tear out the trees & then name streets after them.

longhorn320

  • Legend
  • ****
  • Posts: 9345
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23357 on: May 08, 2023, 12:54:35 PM »
That particular influencer reportedly has 8M followers, so even if there are only 1M transgender people in the US, the message will reach a lot more people than just the trans folks.

I'm sure that Bud Light is probably seen by some in that community and in the group of people that support that community as less than inclusive, and this was intended IMHO to offer PR that Bud Light is inclusive. Or at the very least to raise brand awareness.

Apparently there was next to nothing invested from a monetary standpoint, so it's not like this was a multi-million dollar Super Bowl commercial.


Still seems too small for the effort
They won't let me give blood anymore. The burnt orange color scares the hell out of the doctors.

Gigem

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 2144
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23358 on: May 08, 2023, 01:15:44 PM »
That particular influencer reportedly has 8M followers, so even if there are only 1M transgender people in the US, the message will reach a lot more people than just the trans folks.

I'm sure that Bud Light is probably seen by some in that community and in the group of people that support that community as less than inclusive, and this was intended IMHO to offer PR that Bud Light is inclusive. Or at the very least to raise brand awareness.

Apparently there was next to nothing invested from a monetary standpoint, so it's not like this was a multi-million dollar Super Bowl commercial.
I'd like for somebody to do a deep dive on these stats and see how many are actually real people.  I know I'm on twitter and I have followers who are definitely either bots or similar fake accounts.  

Gigem

  • Starter
  • *****
  • Posts: 2144
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23359 on: May 08, 2023, 01:18:12 PM »
Well, my view and the view of most others I know is different.

Having a business to simply make a living is a hobby disguised as a business.

I have nothing against this, for the record. To each their own.

I wanted something much more, for me and my people.
I think "lifestyle" businesses (I like that term) are structured so much different because there are not that many capital costs to get into it.  No expensive construction equipment, low office costs such as officing out of your home, only a handful of employees.  

As somebody who is currently scaling up I can definitely attest I fall into 847's category #2, except I hope to pass it on to my kids (they will have to buy me out in some form, albeit cheaper than the market would get).  

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18899
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23360 on: May 08, 2023, 01:21:36 PM »
Well, I guess you could sit around, feeling sorry for yourself and blaming the rest of the world for your situation. Let's see how that works out for you.

Perhaps there are other countries that have it figured out and align more with your line of thinking. I hear that rents are pretty cheap in Cuba. You may want to consider a move there? LOL.
Exhibit A and B of your tribe's total lack of validity.

Your first point suggests that sitting around feeling sorry for yourself is the only alternative to working hard and having it pay off.
.
Your second point of 'if I don't like it, I can leave' suggests that you have no desire to possibly improve the US.  So I guess it's perfect?  But then you'll immediately say it's not perfect.  So then why not try to imrpvoe it!?!?
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23361 on: May 08, 2023, 01:34:40 PM »
I think "lifestyle" businesses (I like that term) are structured so much different because there are not that many capital costs to get into it.  No expensive construction equipment, low office costs such as officing out of your home, only a handful of employees. 

As somebody who is currently scaling up I can definitely attest I fall into 847's category #2, except I hope to pass it on to my kids (they will have to buy me out in some form, albeit cheaper than the market would get). 
Oh, heck yes, if they will take it on. Neither of my kids are engineers or surveyors, so it can't happen. But it would have been nice.

It takes about $175K to outfit each field survey tech we have. Truck, GPS, Robotics, computer, etc. 

We have 5 of them currently.

People will call us for a residential mortgage survey and let us know they have received pricing from others, in the $500 range. Shit, we can't start a truck for $500. But they need it in a week and the basement surveyor (lifestyle business) is on vacation and has no staff.

So, we get the $1500 we want. Free market.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

847badgerfan

  • Administrator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 25280
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23362 on: May 08, 2023, 01:36:07 PM »
Exhibit A and B of your tribe's total lack of validity.

Your first point suggests that sitting around feeling sorry for yourself is the only alternative to working hard and having it pay off.
.
Your second point of 'if I don't like it, I can leave' suggests that you have no desire to possibly improve the US.  So I guess it's perfect?  But then you'll immediately say it's not perfect.  So then why not try to imrpvoe it!?!?
How would you improve it? I've been asking you this for quite some time. Solutions.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

betarhoalphadelta

  • Global Moderator
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 12222
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23363 on: May 08, 2023, 01:48:36 PM »
Still seems too small for the effort
Eh. When everything dropped it sounded like the effort was absolutely minimal. It wasn't some ad blitz or anything like that. Not sure what they paid, but we're talking the gnat on the ass of the elephant that is the Bud Light marketing budget. 

Even if it's not a ton of value, it could still have been worth it if the effort was small enough. 

What caused the problem, tho, is the backlash. Which turned it into negative value. 

The mistake they made was probably looking at value vs. effort and didn't give enough attention to risk. 

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18899
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23364 on: May 08, 2023, 01:52:35 PM »
Why do car companies create off-shoot brands?  Why is the chip and cookie aisle produced by like 4 companies?  Yes, there's word for it, but oligopolies that communicate with each other are a virtual monopoly.  

I know, I know, they'd never do anything to screw the consumer or break the law.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

OrangeAfroMan

  • Stats Porn
  • Hall of Fame
  • *****
  • Posts: 18899
  • Liked:
Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23365 on: May 08, 2023, 01:53:25 PM »
How would you improve it? I've been asking you this for quite some time. Solutions.
It's hard to fix something when half the country doesn't recognize there's a problem.  Let's hand out mirrors.
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

 

Support the Site!
Purchase of every item listed here DIRECTLY supports the site.