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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23128 on: April 29, 2023, 10:45:51 AM »
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« Reply #23129 on: April 29, 2023, 04:03:11 PM »
Interesting take. I've always looked at the number of people leaving. This is more about the money leaving. It's an editorial, but still cites good data and does not appear to manipulate it.


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Man, hat tip to whoever did that data. I went to the source and while I think I could pull it together, it's quite unwieldy. 

I'd be interested in some of the historic trends, i.e. how different is it from a 3-year tranche in the early 2000s, early 90s, etc. But overall, it seems like mostly basic economics and preferences. People are moving from more expensive places to less expensive ones, usually from colder to warmer. Big chunks of that aren't so shocking.

Is some narrative stuff driving parts of it? Probably. But brass tacks econ is always key. And if demand wants to really drop in Ca., I'd be glad. 

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23130 on: April 30, 2023, 06:25:59 AM »


Parking rate for that concert downtown...  

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« Reply #23131 on: April 30, 2023, 06:50:26 AM »


Parking rate for that concert downtown... 
The market in action.

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« Reply #23132 on: April 30, 2023, 07:04:53 AM »
Yeah, I saw some note en passant about a couple spending $500 EACH on the Swift concert via Stubhub.  I don't really get it, not that it matters to anyone.

I gather she's a good singer.  Or maybe she wears revealing outfits and is decent looking ...

Or both.

Granted I'm spending about $100 per concert per on season tickets to our concerts.  I did cut back a bit on that this past year, so we're now in Row One of the third level balcony.  My wife didn't like them initially but now says they are good, I think they are about $65 per.  She brings binos.

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« Reply #23133 on: April 30, 2023, 08:44:50 AM »
Man, hat tip to whoever did that data. I went to the source and while I think I could pull it together, it's quite unwieldy.

I'd be interested in some of the historic trends, i.e. how different is it from a 3-year tranche in the early 2000s, early 90s, etc. But overall, it seems like mostly basic economics and preferences. People are moving from more expensive places to less expensive ones, usually from colder to warmer. Big chunks of that aren't so shocking.

Is some narrative stuff driving parts of it? Probably. But brass tacks econ is always key. And if demand wants to really drop in Ca., I'd be glad.
I was at an economic forum back in Illinois a few years ago.

In that state, the top 10 percent of earners pay 80 percent of the taxes.

The 10 percent is leaving, which was the gist of the article.
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« Reply #23134 on: April 30, 2023, 10:09:04 AM »
I was at an economic forum back in Illinois a few years ago.

In that state, the top 10 percent of earners pay 80 percent of the taxes.

The 10 percent is leaving, which was the gist of the article.
That leads me to be interested in a whole other set of numbers. 

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« Reply #23135 on: April 30, 2023, 10:18:36 AM »
That leads me to be interested in a whole other set of numbers.
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« Reply #23136 on: April 30, 2023, 10:21:30 AM »
The IRS data shows a net 105,000 people left Illinois in 2021, taking with them some $10.9 billion in AGI. That’s up from $8.5 billion in 2020 and $6 billion in 2019. New York’s income loss increased to $24.5 billion in 2021 from $19.5 billion in 2020 and $9 billion in 2019. California lost $29.1 billion in 2021, more than triple what it did in 2019.

By contrast, the lowest tax states added some $100 billion of income during the pandemic. Zero-income-tax Florida gained $39.2 billion—up from $23.7 billion in 2020 and $17.7 billion in 2019. About $9.8 billion of the total arrived from New York, $3.9 billion from Illinois, $3.7 billion from New Jersey and $3.5 billion from California.


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« Reply #23137 on: April 30, 2023, 11:39:47 AM »
The uber wealthy can manage by avoiding taxable income.

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« Reply #23138 on: April 30, 2023, 12:08:14 PM »
Of course, they can. But the people making $200K/year (for example) are moving out. In IL, that's $10K. 

What replaces their state tax contribution? That's the money I'm talking about. 

That will not be replaced, so what do states like IL, CA and NY do about it? 

They need income, and it's not going to be replaced by those who are staying. 

The outbound revenue loss charts I posted above clearly show this.
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« Reply #23139 on: April 30, 2023, 12:54:27 PM »
California can manage to the extent their tech managers get options and bonuses, taxable income, better than Illinois.  I agree with you about IL, and I recall they have a massive pension deficit on top of this.  I'd guess inside a decade the Feds will bail them out.

The Uber Wealthy there and in NYC etc. just avoid having taxable income.  I know some states are trying to tax wealth.

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« Reply #23140 on: April 30, 2023, 12:58:27 PM »
Feds bail them out? 

$140 Billion?

People in places like Texas and Florida won't like their money going to Illinois. 

Illinois F'd itself. No reason for well-run states to fund their problems.
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« Reply #23141 on: April 30, 2023, 12:59:36 PM »
Sure, folks won't like it, but $140 billion is a drop in the bucket for the Feds, and the Bleeding Hearts will have their way.


 

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