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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23100 on: April 28, 2023, 10:09:57 AM »
Hey look, it's a list!

I don't think I've seen every one of those, but the ones I have, are all pretty ugly.  

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« Reply #23101 on: April 28, 2023, 10:57:57 AM »
2023 Civic Type R vs. 2023 GR Corolla Circuit vs. 2022 Golf R (caranddriver.com)

I "looked" at an R when we bought the GTI.  The mpg thing was a factor, and I thought the R was "too much" for me.  The GTI is "just right".  This new Corolla sounds like a hoot with 3 cyinders though.  Might be fun to rent one.

I think Honda makes fine vehicles overall.  I once owned a CRV with a 5 speed.  I gave it to one of my offspring who had a friend "borrow" it and get it stuck deeply in the mud and ruined the transmission.  The Accord is really a nicely done if boring car.

Honda has kind of a neat ad now I've noticed.

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« Reply #23102 on: April 28, 2023, 11:36:24 AM »
Following its ratification by the 38th state (Virginia), supporters of the ERA argued that if Congress were to adopt legislation rescinding the 1982 deadline, the ERA would become the 28th Amendment to the Constitution.
This is a shaky Constitutional argument.

To back up, the processes of amending the Constitution are laid out in Article V which states:
"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."

Note that this Article does not contemplate ratification deadlines at all.

Thus, IMHO, the strongest argument in favor of the ERA is that deadlines are simply invalid because the Constitution does not provide for them. In that case, no Congressional action is necessary at all because the deadline is ineffective and consequently the ERA which HAS been ratified by 38 states which meets the Constitutional requirement quoted above that it shall be valid when ratified by three fourths of state Legislatures (50*.75=37.5). There are, however, several problems with this argument:

First, the ERA, as proposed by Congress contained a ratification deadline of March 22, 1979. Congress subsequently voted to extend that deadline to June 30, 1982. The extension, however, was passed by simple majorities in both Houses whereas the proposal of an Amendment requires a two thirds majority. This legal question was rendered moot by the fact that no states ratified the amendment between March 22, 1979 and June 30, 1982.

Second, five states (ID, TN, NE, KY, SD) have voted to recind their ratifications. These recissions are also Constitutionally questionable because Article V also does not mention Recission.

Next, a second argument against the validity of the ratification deadline is that apparently it was included in the preamble to the ERA, not in the ERA itself. Thus, the argument is that the States were voting only on the ERA and that the preamble lacks the force of law.

So I would rank the arguments in favor (strongest to weakest) as follows:
  • Ratification deadlines are null and void because they are not contemplated by Article V of the Constitution.
  • This particular ratification deadline is null and void because it was not included within the text of the Amendment itself.
  • Congress can extend the deadline.
Conversely, I would rank the arguments against (strongest to weakest) as follows:
  • The original ratification deadline was valid has expired, and cannot be extended.
  • Recissions of Ratification are valid and thus the Amendment has never been ratified by three fourths of the States. It got to 35, then five recinded, then three more ratified (35-5+3=33).

There is some case law that proponents argue creates a precedent against Recision.


Above I've tried to be even-handed. Now my opinion:
First, I think that Congress' power to impose a Ratification deadline is implied by the fact that the Constitution grants Congress the power to propose Amendments.

Second, IMHO, the argument that the deadline can be extended at all, let alone by a simple majority, is ludicrous. If it takes a two thirds majority to propose an Amendment then it should take a two thirds majority to alter a proposed amendment if alteration is even permitted.

Third, if the Ratification deadline was valid then all Ratifications were passed subject to the deadline and it cannot be altered.

Finally, Recission must be permissible. Really, the argument for this position is best made br proponents of the ERA. One such proponent argued that ratification us a one-way ratchet. Ok, then ask yourself if you think the founders intended to create such a ridiculous system? Of course not.

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« Reply #23103 on: April 28, 2023, 11:42:57 AM »
2023 Civic Type R vs. 2023 GR Corolla Circuit vs. 2022 Golf R (caranddriver.com)

I "looked" at an R when we bought the GTI.  The mpg thing was a factor, and I thought the R was "too much" for me.  The GTI is "just right".  This new Corolla sounds like a hoot with 3 cyinders though.  Might be fun to rent one.

I think Honda makes fine vehicles overall.  I once owned a CRV with a 5 speed.  I gave it to one of my offspring who had a friend "borrow" it and get it stuck deeply in the mud and ruined the transmission.  The Accord is really a nicely done if boring car.

Honda has kind of a neat ad now I've noticed.

Absolute best car I've ever owned was my wife's 1992 Honda Accord. Totally bullet-proof.

Absolute worst car I've ever owned was my wife's 2003 Toyota Camry Solara.  Total lemon, massive electrical problems, left her stranded more times than I can count.  I'd never, ever buy Toyota again.  Their dealers were real POSs too.

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« Reply #23104 on: April 28, 2023, 11:57:14 AM »
Ugh.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/regulators-to-publish-postmortems-on-silicon-valley-bank-signature-failures-37abe07?st=9tqnsfwdlxi582v&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/articles/regulators-to-publish-postmortems-on-silicon-valley-bank-signature-failures-37abe07?st=9tqnsfwdlxi582v&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
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« Reply #23105 on: April 28, 2023, 12:03:06 PM »
This is a shaky Constitutional argument.

To back up, the processes of amending the Constitution are laid out in Article V which states:
"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."

Note that this Article does not contemplate ratification deadlines at all.

Thus, IMHO, the strongest argument in favor of the ERA is that deadlines are simply invalid because the Constitution does not provide for them. In that case, no Congressional action is necessary at all because the deadline is ineffective and consequently the ERA which HAS been ratified by 38 states which meets the Constitutional requirement quoted above that it shall be valid when ratified by three fourths of state Legislatures (50*.75=37.5). There are, however, several problems with this argument:

First, the ERA, as proposed by Congress contained a ratification deadline of March 22, 1979. Congress subsequently voted to extend that deadline to June 30, 1982. The extension, however, was passed by simple majorities in both Houses whereas the proposal of an Amendment requires a two thirds majority. This legal question was rendered moot by the fact that no states ratified the amendment between March 22, 1979 and June 30, 1982.

Second, five states (ID, TN, NE, KY, SD) have voted to recind their ratifications. These recissions are also Constitutionally questionable because Article V also does not mention Recission.

Next, a second argument against the validity of the ratification deadline is that apparently it was included in the preamble to the ERA, not in the ERA itself. Thus, the argument is that the States were voting only on the ERA and that the preamble lacks the force of law.

So I would rank the arguments in favor (strongest to weakest) as follows:
  • Ratification deadlines are null and void because they are not contemplated by Article V of the Constitution.
  • This particular ratification deadline is null and void because it was not included within the text of the Amendment itself.
  • Congress can extend the deadline.
Conversely, I would rank the arguments against (strongest to weakest) as follows:
  • The original ratification deadline was valid has expired, and cannot be extended.
  • Recissions of Ratification are valid and thus the Amendment has never been ratified by three fourths of the States. It got to 35, then five recinded, then three more ratified (35-5+3=33).

There is some case law that proponents argue creates a precedent against Recision.


Above I've tried to be even-handed. Now my opinion:
First, I think that Congress' power to impose a Ratification deadline is implied by the fact that the Constitution grants Congress the power to propose Amendments.

Second, IMHO, the argument that the deadline can be extended at all, let alone by a simple majority, is ludicrous. If it takes a two thirds majority to propose an Amendment then it should take a two thirds majority to alter a proposed amendment if alteration is even permitted.

Third, if the Ratification deadline was valid then all Ratifications were passed subject to the deadline and it cannot be altered.

Finally, Recission must be permissible. Really, the argument for this position is best made br proponents of the ERA. One such proponent argued that ratification us a one-way ratchet. Ok, then ask yourself if you think the founders intended to create such a ridiculous system? Of course not.
Nice work MB1

your arguments seem very logical

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23106 on: April 28, 2023, 12:49:00 PM »
Ugh.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/regulators-to-publish-postmortems-on-silicon-valley-bank-signature-failures-37abe07?st=9tqnsfwdlxi582v&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
https://www.wsj.com/articles/regulators-to-publish-postmortems-on-silicon-valley-bank-signature-failures-37abe07?st=9tqnsfwdlxi582v&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
I find it very “interesting “ to even partially blame their failure on a political party or person. In this case- Trump.

if you read the rest of the article it actually lays out exactly why this bank failed.  It is 100% the fault of very poor and risky bank management, failure to properly address identified risks, and major failure of the bank regulators to do their job when they did find substantial risks.

this bank had 31 open findings or material witnesses identified by the regulators.  31!

Banks are audited in great detail every single year and any material findings are escalated to executive management and Board of Directors. If not fixed within a certain amount of time typically the board will remove the people responsible for not fixing it, or the regulators will step in with a second and final warning. 

I am very familiar with this process after being in it for 37 years.  The people running this bank we’re playing fast and loose with the shareholders best interests and the regulators were letting them do it.  In fact they were heavily rewarded for doing it.
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« Reply #23107 on: April 28, 2023, 12:50:07 PM »
This is a shaky Constitutional argument.

To back up, the processes of amending the Constitution are laid out in Article V which states:
"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."

Note that this Article does not contemplate ratification deadlines at all.

Thus, IMHO, the strongest argument in favor of the ERA is that deadlines are simply invalid because the Constitution does not provide for them. In that case, no Congressional action is necessary at all because the deadline is ineffective and consequently the ERA which HAS been ratified by 38 states which meets the Constitutional requirement quoted above that it shall be valid when ratified by three fourths of state Legislatures (50*.75=37.5). There are, however, several problems with this argument:

First, the ERA, as proposed by Congress contained a ratification deadline of March 22, 1979. Congress subsequently voted to extend that deadline to June 30, 1982. The extension, however, was passed by simple majorities in both Houses whereas the proposal of an Amendment requires a two thirds majority. This legal question was rendered moot by the fact that no states ratified the amendment between March 22, 1979 and June 30, 1982.

Second, five states (ID, TN, NE, KY, SD) have voted to recind their ratifications. These recissions are also Constitutionally questionable because Article V also does not mention Recission.

Next, a second argument against the validity of the ratification deadline is that apparently it was included in the preamble to the ERA, not in the ERA itself. Thus, the argument is that the States were voting only on the ERA and that the preamble lacks the force of law.

So I would rank the arguments in favor (strongest to weakest) as follows:
  • Ratification deadlines are null and void because they are not contemplated by Article V of the Constitution.
  • This particular ratification deadline is null and void because it was not included within the text of the Amendment itself.
  • Congress can extend the deadline.
Conversely, I would rank the arguments against (strongest to weakest) as follows:
  • The original ratification deadline was valid has expired, and cannot be extended.
  • Recissions of Ratification are valid and thus the Amendment has never been ratified by three fourths of the States. It got to 35, then five recinded, then three more ratified (35-5+3=33).

There is some case law that proponents argue creates a precedent against Recision.


Above I've tried to be even-handed. Now my opinion:
First, I think that Congress' power to impose a Ratification deadline is implied by the fact that the Constitution grants Congress the power to propose Amendments.

Second, IMHO, the argument that the deadline can be extended at all, let alone by a simple majority, is ludicrous. If it takes a two thirds majority to propose an Amendment then it should take a two thirds majority to alter a proposed amendment if alteration is even permitted.

Third, if the Ratification deadline was valid then all Ratifications were passed subject to the deadline and it cannot be altered.

Finally, Recission must be permissible. Really, the argument for this position is best made br proponents of the ERA. One such proponent argued that ratification us a one-way ratchet. Ok, then ask yourself if you think the founders intended to create such a ridiculous system? Of course not.
I'd say I'm in agreement here. I don't necessarily see the argument that a deadline can be binding, ESPECIALLY if it wasn't in the text of the amendment itself. And if it wasn't in the amendment itself, an extension can be valid. 

I see the rescission thing as more of an issue. I think the Constitution didn't cover that because once 3/4 of states ratify, that means it is ratified. At that point the only way to reverse the Amendment would be to write another that reverses it (as with the 18th and 21st). You can't have a state after it's ratified have the power to revers a Constitutional Amendment already in force by voting to rescind. HOWEVER, prior to ratification of the Amendment, I can't imagine any situation where a state would not be able to rescind their ratification. I don't see how the founders would have addressed that. 

I'm going to take a quick look at my handy copy of The Federalist Papers and see if there's anything in there about it. 

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« Reply #23108 on: April 28, 2023, 01:02:04 PM »
Nothing relevant I can see in Federalist #43 nor #85, the only two that I can see dealing with the amendment process. 

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« Reply #23109 on: April 28, 2023, 01:36:58 PM »
The Best Compact SUVs and Crossovers For 2023: Small, But With Utility (motortrend.com)


  • 2023 Jeep Cherokee worst in their view
  • 2023 GMC Terrain
  • 2023 Volkswagen Tiguan
  • 2023 Chevrolet Equinox
  • 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander
  • 2023 Hyundai Tucson
  • 2023 Ford Escape
  • 2023 Toyota RAV4
  • 2023 Kia Sportage
  • 2023 Mazda CX-5
  • 2023 Mazda CX-50
  • 2023 Subaru Forester
  • 2023 Honda CR-V
  • 2023 Nissan Rogue best in their view


Wow, so it took Fiat under 20 years to have Jeep drop from best to worst.  Cool.
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« Reply #23110 on: April 28, 2023, 01:44:03 PM »
If they passed this ERA fix it surely would be challenged in court.  I don't see a problem with the ERA as written beyond the argument it's unnecessary.  And maybe it is needed, I dunno exactly why.  I don't think it would "fix" anything I can imagine.


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« Reply #23111 on: April 28, 2023, 02:10:13 PM »
Wow, so it took Fiat under 20 years to have Jeep drop from best to worst.  Cool.
But have Jeep Cherokees ever been any good?  The Cherokee XJ owners I know all refer to their vehicles as "shitbox."

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« Reply #23112 on: April 28, 2023, 02:14:15 PM »
They have a following, kind of like Suburu does, which means they are appealing to some, not that they've ever been very competitive.  I'd guess the car mahs 20 years ago would have posted similar rankings.

The thing about these reviews, to me, is they can highlight some areas of concern, which is they don't bother you means you can ignore them, or pay attention to them, etc.  They don't mean you should buy only their top pick.

I think the Nissan may have a CVT which I would NOT buy.


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« Reply #23113 on: April 28, 2023, 02:22:47 PM »
But have Jeep Cherokees ever been any good?  The Cherokee XJ owners I know all refer to their vehicles as "shitbox."
Sadly Jeep has not really historically been known for quality. The Wrangler is something you buy despite its reliability reputation, not because of it. 

 

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