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« Reply #22834 on: April 21, 2023, 04:03:35 PM »
Rhule said in yesterday's PC that the Husker spring game tomorrow will run NFL clock rules
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« Reply #22835 on: April 21, 2023, 04:29:59 PM »
So, in effect, this levels out the playing field, right (or close to it).  It makes being credit worthy less valuable.
Less valuable, but still valuable. 

I need to attack some debt this year to get my score up from a pitiful 806. 

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« Reply #22836 on: April 21, 2023, 04:40:05 PM »
So, in effect, this levels out the playing field, right (or close to it).  It makes being credit worthy less valuable.
Levels?   I guess it depends on your opinion.  
 
before- there was financial incentive- as far as loan rates-for people who pay their bills  and save their money.   

Now there is not nearly as much- and in some scenarios it is penalized.  The recipients of that penalty are those with much lower credit scores and little money saved.  

You think that’s level?   What do you think will be the longer term impact on consumer priorities and behavior?
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« Reply #22837 on: April 21, 2023, 04:49:31 PM »
What do you think will be the longer term impact on consumer priorities and behavior?
I expect very little. Those who are prudent will remain prudent. Those who are not? Will remain not. 

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« Reply #22838 on: April 21, 2023, 04:57:38 PM »
yup, those that are prudent make mortgage payments on time with less chance of default

those that are not?
the lender will have to deal with them
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« Reply #22839 on: April 21, 2023, 05:20:15 PM »
I expect very little. Those who are prudent will remain prudent. Those who are not? Will remain not.

Well…. You are kind of missing the point.

There are lots of people who will be prudent regardless. There are lots of people who won’t regardless.  But what I see in banking today as far as consumers, are many in the middle who are trying really hard and some do a much better job of it than others because they are motivated. They believe that saving money is a good thing, and spending money on credit is something to be done in moderation. I see many others who couldn’t care less about their credit score because they don’t think it matters and think they can buy everything on credit for their entire life

If you go to buy your next house, and they tell you you will get a better interest rate by putting only 5% down versus putting 20% down, it may or may not change what you do but for many people it will definitely change what they do.

To me just assuming it won’t change anything is quite naïve. It’s like saying that reducing sentences for convicted criminals, or not prosecuting them at all, or letting them out on bail, will not have an impact on crime. Which we now see with blazing proof is completely false.
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« Reply #22840 on: April 21, 2023, 05:31:35 PM »
Let me also add this.

Virtually every bank in this country has a loan program specifically for borrowers who are low to moderate income or are buying in load of moderate income census tracts.   

Lower interest rate, hundred percent loan to value or even more so the borrower does not need to bring any funds to the table, much lower underwriting standards as far as that income, complete waiver of fees in some cases or even granting closing costs from the banks pocket to the borrower. 

The banks cannot find enough people to take these loans. They are fighting literally for any client that fits this profile because they are held accountable by the regulatory agencies to make a certain amount of these type of loans.


They hold these loans in their portfolio so don’t necessarily have to worry about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae pricing and underwriting rules. They Just accept the fact that these are much higher risk loans and will be written off as bank losses at a much higher clip.  


Go to any banks website and do a search on affordable home lending and you will see what I am talking about

In Miami- using this example because it is Close by and I am very familiar with it- you can buy a $400,000 house, with no money down, and get up to three down payment assistance grants totaling $200,000.  You don’t have to have any money and you don’t have to have a good credit score. You just have to fit the right profile.  
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« Reply #22841 on: April 21, 2023, 05:39:05 PM »
Would my credit union have to follow this?

They do not sell mortgages.
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« Reply #22842 on: April 21, 2023, 05:41:25 PM »
Lemme see if I understand this with a crude example.  We take two families, one with great credit, one without, who apply for a loan.  The first family is in a group with say 1% default rate, the other with 30% default rate.  In a "normal market", the former might get offered say 5% and the latter 6%.

Now, the former would pay say 5.35% and the latter 5.55%, sort of leveling the playing field.  This would also mean more folks in the latter could get the loan, and fewer in the former.  This would lead to more defaults.  I guess if they pass them off to Fannie and Fredowski, the gubmint will cover the losses.

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« Reply #22843 on: April 21, 2023, 05:41:57 PM »
Would my credit union have to follow this?

They do not sell mortgages.
No.   If they hold everything on their balance sheet they don’t have to worry about it. However if they occasionally sell pools of loans to create mortgage banking gains, they may make these changes in so that their assets are priced correctly later when they go to sell them.  
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« Reply #22844 on: April 21, 2023, 06:01:57 PM »
Lemme see if I understand this with a crude example.  We take two families, one with great credit, one without, who apply for a loan.  The first family is in a group with say 1% default rate, the other with 30% default rate.  In a "normal market", the former might get offered say 5% and the latter 6%.

Now, the former would pay say 5.35% and the latter 5.55%, sort of leveling the playing field.  This would also mean more folks in the latter could get the loan, and fewer in the former.  This would lead to more defaults.  I guess if they pass them off to Fannie and Fredowski, the gubmint will cover the losses.
A couple of things:

- remember, When it comes to paying for things you and me and all of us are the “government”
- the example you cited is not accurate.  In the before world, the family withe the good credit score was willing to put 30% down in exchange for an even lower rate- say 4.75. In todays world they will not get that enticement and in fact will have their rate moved from 5 to 5.375. If they decide against the bigger down payment they are now in the 3% default group - even though they could have moved to the .5% default group before and saved $200 a month for their kids college fund.

The family with the bad credit and lack of downpayment was going to get that 6% before- if the qualified. ( Stable source of income and assets in reserve to cover 6 months of payments in an emergency).  They too could get that rate down to 5.75 if they put say 10% down.  In the new world the get there by putting less down. Now- even though they get a better rate/ their payments are higher. And gues what the # 1 predictor of default on mortgages is?    LTV.  People with less equity in their home are exponentially more likely to walk away from it. So now- they are in the 35% default rate. So- have we really done them a favor? We have stretch their cash flow even more in a situation where they are already having trouble making payments and saving money. And we did that at the expense of a good borrower with good credit and savings in the bank. 

I know your MO is to say everything is really not that big of a deal.  If you understood the mechanics of how this works ( nobody would expect you to) you would see that this harmful in many ways, and will further erode the concept of meritocracy. 

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« Reply #22845 on: April 21, 2023, 06:06:31 PM »
Didn't I note I expect this to result in more defaults?  (With subsequent bail outs?)

I don't know how big a deal it may be, but it looks like a bad idea to me.

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« Reply #22846 on: April 21, 2023, 06:16:45 PM »
most government ideas of making things better don't achieve the desired results

ideas from Biden's office seem to be less effective than most
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« Reply #22847 on: April 21, 2023, 06:28:34 PM »
Didn't I note I expect this to result in more defaults?  (With subsequent bail outs?)

I don't know how big a deal it may be, but it looks like a bad idea to me.
Yes- you did. And I happen to agree with you- it is a bad idea for a variety of reasons - although I feel the intention of it is good.  
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