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most of us would simply like a balance

there doesn't seem to be a balance currently

most of us would simply like a balance

there doesn't seem to be a balance currently

I'm not sure I buy that. People see things that they don't like and the desired balance is always "less". But it's entirely possible there's already a balance. 

I'm reminded of meeting with the caterer in preparation for the reception with my now ex-wife. My soon to be MIL was worried that if we had an open bar, people would take advantage and get hammered. 

The caterer basically said that open bar or cash bar, 20% of the guests wouldn't drink. Open bar or cash bar, 60% of the guests would have an appropriate amount of alcohol. Open bar or cash bar, 20% would get drunk. It seems that there are more intrinsic factors in behavior than whether folks have to pay for their drinks. 

The truth is that a certain percentage of people like getting f&@^#d up, whether it's alcohol, or drugs, or whatever. That demand will NEVER go away completely. And they'll find a way to get what they want. We can't even keep drugs out of prisons. You think "border security" is going to keep them out of the country? Some of these drugs, anyone with a chemistry set can produce. Are we going to outlaw chemistry? (Or tightly regulate it, like Texas?) Doesn't seem to be stopping drugs. 

In fact, everything that we've done to stop heroin has caused the much more dangerous--and much easier to conceal--fentanyl to proliferate. 

"Securing the border" isn't going to change that. 

you're correct

even an air tight southern border won't stop drug problems in the US

but, border security measures that deter and slow down the worst illegal crap coming across the border would help

if you simply look at the total number of illegals entering today and in the past year compared to the previous decade, there doesn't seem to be much deterrent and it's easy to imagine the worst illegal crap is getting more common 

right now the drug cartels have a free reign

Im not suggesting we could completely rub it out but we could damn sure make it harder to get drugs into this country

In short the drug cartels feel little heat from anyone

we should change that

How? Do you have concrete steps that would be taken? That would be effective? 

you're correct

even an air tight southern border won't stop drug problems in the US

but, border security measures that deter and slow down the worst illegal crap coming across the border would help

if you simply look at the total number of illegals entering today and in the past year compared to the previous decade, there doesn't seem to be much deterrent and it's easy to imagine the worst illegal crap is getting more common

Ok, so what do we do? Increase searches of incoming vehicles from 1 in 100 to 3 in 100? 

How? Do you have concrete steps that would be taken? That would be effective?
Ok, so what do we do? Increase searches of incoming vehicles from 1 in 100 to 3 in 100?

Just curious. Why do you keep talking about vehicles. All of the data suggests that the overwhelming majority of illegal border crossings including those who make it in those who are apprehended are on foot and not at ports of entry.

Just curious. Why do you keep talking about vehicles. All of the data suggests that the overwhelming majority of illegal border crossings including those who make it in those who are apprehended are on foot and not at ports of entry.

We're discussing how fentanyl gets into the US, not illegals.

We're discussing how fentanyl gets into the US, not illegals.

actually they are kinda intertwined