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the 3rd person might hopefully be motivated to do something besides arguing

the 2 people in the room have shown for decades, that's mostly what they do w/o any decent work towards improving the country for the people
hell, I don't care how many it is, one, two, three, or more parties.
The American people deserve at least one party that will work for them.
the two we have had for decades are deplorable at best.
We ALL want a change.  This is why Obama and Trump where elected.  Hoping for change.

The two parties in power obviously do NOT want change.
They are both fat and happy

this is from your view point
from my view my party wants to good for America and the other party doesnt
thats basically why and how parties are formed

your view is only satisfied when a party comes along whose beliefs agree with yours

We ALL want a change.  This is why Obama and Trump where elected.  Hoping for change.

The two parties in power obviously do NOT want change.
They are both fat and happy

If you put a far leftist and a far rightist in a room and ask "Do you want change?" The vote will be 2-0 in favor of change.

That doesn't mean that they agree, they don't.  The compromise, frankly, is no change. 

Political parties argue, sure. A whole lot of their supporters do not WANT them to compromise. The far left and far right get MAD AS HELL when elected officials from their side compromise. 

Much as we don't want to admit it, most of the problems with Congress are simply reflections of problems of us. 

Maybe the problem isn't simply that Congress is hopelessly divided but rather that WE are hopelessly divided.

Maybe the problem isn't simply that Congress is hopelessly divided but rather that WE are hopelessly divided.

Sure, I'd add to that the fact that the extremists on both sides tend to be loudest and most active.  Moderates rarely get fired up over anything.  So, yes, we get little or nothing done legislatively that addresses key issues.

from my view my party wants to good for America and the other party doesnt

This, right here, is the problem. 

Both parties want to do good for America. They disagree on what that is. But it's an unnecessary (and incorrect) logical leap to say just because you think the effect of policies that the other guy wants aren't good, that their motive is to do harm to America. 

This isn't an attack on you personally, 320. I see this behavior, often, VERY OFTEN, from both sides. 

This, right here, is the problem.

Both parties want to do good for America. They disagree on what that is. But it's an unnecessary (and incorrect) logical leap to say just because you think the effect of policies that the other guy wants aren't good, that their motive is to do harm to America.

This isn't an attack on you personally, 320. I see this behavior, often, VERY OFTEN, from both sides.

never the less I have a set of beliefs developed over my lifetime and Im going to attach to the party that adhears to most of my beliefs and thus will stay away from the party that represents the least of my beliefs

Im not sure how to change this nor that we should change it

its called democracy and every voter gets to choose the direction which agrees with most of thier beliefs

this is from your view point
from my view my party wants to good for America and the other party doesnt
thats basically why and how parties are formed

your view is only satisfied when a party comes along whose beliefs agree with yours

then why doesn't your party do good? 
When was the last time your party had a majority of power in Washington to get things done?
What did your party do at that time to change this country for the better?

If your party's excuse for not getting things done is "the other" party, then there may be a problem with the 2-party system. Or perhaps your party really doesn't care enough to do good, they simply play the blame game with the other party while staying in power.

my view will only be satisfied when any party comes along and does something to improve this country. having beliefs is great.  But, if there's no action it's useless.

similar to climate change beliefs

this is from your view point
from my view my party wants to good for America and the other party doesnt
thats basically why and how parties are formed

How can you honesty believe this????????????