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« Reply #20846 on: January 20, 2023, 09:16:16 PM »
I think it's a mix of things on why he was charged. 

He was a producer of the film, and as such he was responsible for things such as safety. So it's like if a company's actions hurt somebody, the person in charge can get in trouble. 

He did fire the gun, he did not check to see if it was loaded.  I wonder if it's really reasonable to check something like this every single time.  Imagine how many scenes and takes it takes to make a movie.  Take after take, scene after scene.  Imagine how many times he's fired a gun on a movie set. 

And lastly, Alec Baldwin, while one of my favorite personal actors, has earned a reputation for being very liberal and anti-gun.  So he kinda painted a big target on his back, despite earning a paycheck doing the things he's protesting against.  So maybe there is some kind of politics at play.  I really hope not.  This should be about Justice for the person that died, not some political vendetta. 

My viewpoint on this is that every gun on every single film set in the USA should be made to where it absolutely cannot be used to fire a real bullet.  This has happened multiple times now, with Brandon Lee dying in the early 90's filming "The Crow". 

IMO, all firearms, whether real or non-functioning, should be kept under lock and key, with a chain of custody from the armorer all the way thru to the actors.  My guess is that Hollywood has gotten lazy with regards to making sure these guns aren't real and aren't loaded. 

One of the first things you're taught as a gunowner is NEVER aim a gun at anybody you don't intend to shoot.  And if you do aim a gun at somebody, be prepared to kill them (don't take it lightly).  At least, that's what I was taught.  You always act as if the weapon is loaded, even if you KNOW it's not. 

I understand that you have to aim it on somebody on set to film a movie, but maybe there should always be some kind of bullet proof barrier between the actors and the film makers. 
Number 1 would only come into play if he had not hired a person whose job it was to make sure the gun was ok to use

Number 2 is true but he was told the gun was safe to use by the prop man who was responsible for gun safety

Number 3 is ridiculous and really has no merit


There has to be more to this that has not been reported in the media


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« Reply #20847 on: January 20, 2023, 09:19:28 PM »
Alec Baldwin was great in Glengarry Glen Ross and outstanding in 30 Rock.  That's about all I got.
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« Reply #20848 on: January 20, 2023, 09:21:22 PM »
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« Reply #20849 on: January 20, 2023, 10:43:27 PM »
regardless of anything and everything............

before a person handles a weapon, they themselves are responsible for checking to see if it's loaded

ESPECIALLY if you're going to point it at someone and possibly pull the F ing trigger

#1 rule in gun safety AND just common sense

Alex did NOT do this and therefore was obviously negligent and reckless
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« Reply #20850 on: January 21, 2023, 07:48:13 AM »
I think it's a mix of things on why he was charged. 

He was a producer of the film, and as such he was responsible for things such as safety. So it's like if a company's actions hurt somebody, the person in charge can get in trouble. 

He did fire the gun, he did not check to see if it was loaded.  I wonder if it's really reasonable to check something like this every single time.  Imagine how many scenes and takes it takes to make a movie.  Take after take, scene after scene.  Imagine how many times he's fired a gun on a movie set. 

And lastly, Alec Baldwin, while one of my favorite personal actors, has earned a reputation for being very liberal and anti-gun.  So he kinda painted a big target on his back, despite earning a paycheck doing the things he's protesting against.  So maybe there is some kind of politics at play.  I really hope not.  This should be about Justice for the person that died, not some political vendetta. 

My viewpoint on this is that every gun on every single film set in the USA should be made to where it absolutely cannot be used to fire a real bullet.  This has happened multiple times now, with Brandon Lee dying in the early 90's filming "The Crow". 

IMO, all firearms, whether real or non-functioning, should be kept under lock and key, with a chain of custody from the armorer all the way thru to the actors.  My guess is that Hollywood has gotten lazy with regards to making sure these guns aren't real and aren't loaded. 

One of the first things you're taught as a gunowner is NEVER aim a gun at anybody you don't intend to shoot.  And if you do aim a gun at somebody, be prepared to kill them (don't take it lightly).  At least, that's what I was taught.  You always act as if the weapon is loaded, even if you KNOW it's not. 

I understand that you have to aim it on somebody on set to film a movie, but maybe there should always be some kind of bullet proof barrier between the actors and the film makers. 
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« Reply #20851 on: January 21, 2023, 07:50:47 AM »
I had a person hand me a gun one time, and he told me it was not loaded.

It was f'ing loaded. I disowned him as a friend. I have no tolerance for irresponsible. NONE.
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« Reply #20852 on: January 21, 2023, 08:02:14 AM »
Certainly I would argue, and certainly his lawyers will argue, that they literally hired someone whose job it was to make sure the props were safe and wouldn't kill people. Relying on some New York liberal unfamiliar with what he's being given to make sure it is safe is silly and reckless.

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« Reply #20853 on: January 21, 2023, 08:13:11 AM »
  •  Now way in hell should a live round ever, ever be on the set.
  •  Guns should not be used for anything other than for the movie.  No target practice.
  •  Both armorer and actor should verify it is blank. (Baldwin has culpability)
  •  Only reason Alec Baldwin should point the gun at a person is if the director, or other, is trying to align a shot.
  •  Never pull a trigger when pointed at a person. (Baldwin f-up)
  •  Only reason to even use blanks is a visual effect they can give that is better and cheaper than CGI.
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« Reply #20854 on: January 21, 2023, 08:15:08 AM »
Certainly I would argue, and certainly his lawyers will argue, that they literally hired someone whose job it was to make sure the props were safe and wouldn't kill people. Relying on some New York liberal unfamiliar with what he's being given to make sure it is safe is silly and reckless.
It's not about what he knew. It's about what he should have KNOWN.

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« Reply #20855 on: January 21, 2023, 09:05:08 AM »
I understand that "artists" like Alex are pampered entitled dipshits that rely on others to do almost everything for them.

Alec might not wipe his own behind very often

but, if he is going to handle a weapon, he is responsible

regardless of who is also responsible for checking the weapon

he fucked up, he trusted them

the others that are also responsible will also be held accountable and have been charged
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« Reply #20856 on: January 21, 2023, 09:14:16 AM »
Idk, if it's a movie set and a "prop gun," is it even an actual "weapon?"  It shouldn't be.  
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« Reply #20857 on: January 21, 2023, 09:23:23 AM »
Anything can be a weapon.

Teeth. Feet. Fist.

Pressure cooker.

SUV.

The person using each of these is responsible for their use. 
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« Reply #20858 on: January 21, 2023, 09:48:30 AM »
Idk, if it's a movie set and a "prop gun," is it even an actual "weapon?"  It shouldn't be. 
well, it obviously was
and I assume Alex knew it
He was the producer


apparently, there were live rounds in all 6 chambers
the extra weight of 6 rounds of .45 could have been noticeable
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« Reply #20859 on: January 21, 2023, 10:54:09 AM »
Could have been noticeable? All he had to do was look at it to know it was loaded.

Only a dipshit wouldn't know the difference, and dipshits shouldn't be handed a firearm. 



“Guns don’t just go off. The single action Colt .45 revolver handled by Alec Baldwin required multiple active steps to discharge and kill Halyna Hutchins,” Luper said in the statement. “The gun had to be loaded with live ammunition, held and pointed, the hammer of the weapon manually cocked, and the trigger pulled. It was not a magic self-firing weapon.”
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