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« Reply #19166 on: September 23, 2022, 10:35:48 AM »
Bit of a pet-peeve of mine.  People don't know jack squat about nuclear power plants.  I see more and more evidence to that fact almost every day.

1)  The University of Utah reactor is an extremely small one.  It is more of a test reactor for teaching purposes.  There is literally no containment vessel around it because it can never get hot enough to actually boil water.  I'm not even certain you could do anything that would cause something catastrophic.

2)  Even if it was a full scale sized plant, you can not "detonate" a nuclear power plant.  There is no condition that you can set in a nuclear power plant to that will ever result in the mushroom cloud explosion of a nuclear bomb.  The worst you can possibly hope to achieve is for a nuclear meltdown, which means that the control rods system has failed to the point where the uranium fuel rods have increased above the temperature of their melting point.  If the water that the uranium fuel rods are heating create enough steam pressure to burst the containment vessel, then you can achieve the worst case scenario (ie, Chernobyl) where that radioactive material can be launched outward.

3)  There is not a button in the nuclear power plant that you push that has the words "initiate meltdown" written on it.  It takes a very specific set of steps in order to achieve a meltdown (especially here in the US) and they involve bypassing DOZENS of safety systems that are there to specifically prevent it.  We are talking about a combination of steps including bypassing circuits in the control room, manually locking water valves, and sabotaging piping (aka breaking them) in order to achieve this.  I'm not sure it's even possible to do as a single person.  I'm pretty sure you would need one person in the control room while the other goes around sabotaging valves / pipes. 

Also, as a note.  Most nuclear power plants (though admittedly probably not the one in Utah), have an armed SWAT team on standby on site.  Even if you do manage to breach security enough to get access to the control room, you've got about two minutes before you are ventilated.  Good luck with that.


Um, have you ever watched literally any 90s action movie?

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« Reply #19167 on: September 23, 2022, 11:27:13 AM »
Um, have you ever watched literally any 90s action movie?
Yup.  The media / Hollywood is 90% responsible for 99% of the stupid things about nuclear power / radiation that people believe.

I've said it before on several sites, but I'm not sure if I've said it here:

The next time you want to prove to someone that they don't know jack squat about nuclear power:  Ask them what color nuclear waste is.
(Hint, it is not a viscous glow-in-the-dark lime green liquid).

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« Reply #19168 on: September 23, 2022, 11:30:07 AM »
In related news, the view of the US by some average Frenchman is about 98% derived from Hollywood.  I get asked some weird questions pretty often.

This of course is the country with the greatest percentage of electricity generated by nukes in the world by far.


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« Reply #19169 on: September 23, 2022, 11:32:13 AM »
This of course is the country with the greatest percentage of electricity generated by nukes in the world by far.
They're not wrong there
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« Reply #19170 on: September 23, 2022, 11:40:32 AM »

This of course is the country with the greatest percentage of electricity generated by nukes in the world by far.


I don't think that is right.  I think we have the maybe the highest overall amount of energy created by nuclear power plants, but as a percentage, it is only about 20% of our total power generation.

France is like 70%.  A bunch of European countries are in the 50% range.  We are probably top 20, but nowhere near the greatest.

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« Reply #19171 on: September 23, 2022, 11:44:41 AM »
I was talking about France, but my post was unclear.

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« Reply #19172 on: September 23, 2022, 11:45:54 AM »

  • United States - 91.5GW
  • France - 61.3GW
  • China - 50.8GW
  • Japan - 31.7GW
  • Russia - 29.6GW
  • South Korea - 24.5GW
  • Canada - 13.6GW
  • Ukraine - 13.1GW
  • United Kingdom - 8.9GW
  • Spain - 7.1GW


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« Reply #19173 on: September 23, 2022, 11:47:35 AM »
I was talking about France, but my post was unclear.
Ah.  Gotcha.

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« Reply #19174 on: September 23, 2022, 12:06:42 PM »
maybe the main reason I don't watch movies

bullshit - not even close to believable

no credibility 
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« Reply #19175 on: September 23, 2022, 12:15:23 PM »
I don't expect movies to be "realistic", a rare exception or three exists.  A lot of folks do, at least subliminally.

It's a bit like how the news can show a riot in a city at times and it's really a pretty small affair and most of the city is not impacted, or how they show Tenderloin district in SF and folks think the entire city is like that.

I watched the new Top Gun on the plane, it's entertaining, but of course entirely unrealistic.  My wife had a friend come to France for part of the trip and he went on and on about how great it was, so realistic he said.  I try and avoid interacting with him.  He was really embarrassing, to me, being among all those French folks.  He doesn't speak a lick of French, and would talk to them even though few of them speak English, and he'd raise his voice when they didn't understand and repeat it.  Even my wife was a bit dismayed.

My step son in law had repeated a bunch of nonsense he claimed he got from the movie about climate change as if it was real and accurate ( much of it isn't at all).

I saw previews for a couple movies suggesting climate change would raise sea levels by hundreds of feet.

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« Reply #19176 on: September 23, 2022, 12:18:51 PM »
Yup.  The media / Hollywood is 90% responsible for 99% of the stupid things about nuclear power / radiation that people believe.

I've said it before on several sites, but I'm not sure if I've said it here:

The next time you want to prove to someone that they don't know jack squat about nuclear power:  Ask them what color nuclear waste is.
(Hint, it is not a viscous glow-in-the-dark lime green liquid).
Everything I know about nuclear power plants, I learned from The Simpsons.

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« Reply #19177 on: September 23, 2022, 12:21:21 PM »
I get enough reality from reality.  I don't give a rat's ass how realistic a movie might be.

I'm not always entertained by various movies, but I certainly don't hold them up to some standard of realism.   If I'm not entertained, it's generally due to poor direction, poor script-writing, poor acting, or the actors not being attractive enough.


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« Reply #19178 on: September 23, 2022, 12:44:35 PM »
why prefer comedies

I know they are just silliness
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« Reply #19179 on: September 23, 2022, 12:47:31 PM »
Everything I know about nuclear power plants, I learned from The Simpsons.


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