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longhorn320 · « **Reply #18312 on:** July 26, 2022, 09:43:14 PM »

If the prochoicers had not taken it too far there might not have been an overturning of the law

It wasnt good enough to abort in the first trimester nope then they wanted to be able to abort right up to birth and in some cases after birth

thats fine folks now everyone gets a say and the majority will decide

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #18313 on:** July 26, 2022, 10:26:15 PM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on July 26, 2022, 09:43:14 PM

If the prochoicers had not taken it too far there might not have been an overturning of the law

It wasnt good enough to abort in the first trimester nope then they wanted to be able to abort right up to birth and in some cases after birth

thats fine folks now everyone gets a say and the majority will decide

You're blinded by party affiliation. 1.2% of abortions are after 21 weeks, and most of those (ie over 50%) are simply due to not having the money to pay for it right away.
Your party has drummed up a boogey man week after week, month after month, and year after year, and you fall for it EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME.
When do you plan on growing up? Stop falling for it. Stop being pandered to. Turn your brain on. I mean jesus christ, man. It's embarrassing.

longhorn320 · « **Reply #18314 on:** July 26, 2022, 10:54:26 PM »

Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on July 26, 2022, 10:26:15 PM

You're blinded by party affiliation. 1.2% of abortions are after 21 weeks, and most of those (ie over 50%) are simply due to not having the money to pay for it right away.
Your party has drummed up a boogey man week after week, month after month, and year after year, and you fall for it EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME.
When do you plan on growing up? Stop falling for it. Stop being pandered to. Turn your brain on. I mean jesus christ, man. It's embarrassing.

you are such an ass

there are several states allowing late term abortions where have you been

and by the way its Jesus Christ

longhorn320 · « **Reply #18315 on:** July 26, 2022, 10:59:55 PM »

OAM

Here is a article on what some states have proposed and passed concerning late term abortions

if you can get your head out of your butt and read it you might learn something

https://lozierinstitute.org/six-states-and-their-radical-approaches-to-abortion-law/

bayareabadger · « **Reply #18316 on:** July 27, 2022, 12:54:15 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on July 26, 2022, 09:32:24 PM

but we will have a majority supported compromise

people vote and decide what they want

if the majority is against then its voted down and if the majority vote prochoice then it passes

either way the majority decides and that is the compromise

That seems a bit of an oversimplification.

The lines are drawn strongly, the feelings high. Parties have shows to put on, bases to satiate. People align in different ways, horse trade.

As you said, a healthy majority of people are fine with first trimester, almost all not at all fine with third. Mostly haggling about the second. But we'll end up with an odd patchwork, some places where government delivers overreach for show. Others where it goes too far the other way for show.

(And of course, minority rights matter in a lot of cases, so "the majority decides and that is the compromise" feels a bit off)

bayareabadger · « **Reply #18317 on:** July 27, 2022, 12:55:05 AM »

Quote from: Gigem on July 26, 2022, 09:36:31 PM

Yeah, no matter what you or I think about each issue or the political process it’s worked for us to a degree for over 200 years. Just because one person doesn’t like the outcome doesn’t mean that it didn’t work the way it’s intended.

Don't tell a lot of persons on both sides that.

OrangeAfroMan · « **Reply #18318 on:** July 27, 2022, 12:57:20 AM »

An easy fix for abortion specifically is county-by-county.

People will complain when they have to drive/fly 700+ miles to exercise their bodily autonomy (especially when they can't afford the time off work or the trip itself). But if they only have to drive 50 miles, it's not a big, horrific problem.

But there's no chance of that, because a prudent compromise isn't allowed.

NorthernOhioBuckeye · « **Reply #18319 on:** July 27, 2022, 06:56:04 AM »

Quote from: bayareabadger on July 26, 2022, 08:28:26 PM

I saw this floating around a bunch, and it left me with the question: How often is congress rolling through and codifying things that the Supreme Court decided? Is this a common thing? I feel like we would've heard about it.

It seems like a strangely symbolic way to use political capital on the national level. And it doesn't seem like it would be all that effective. If they'd done it, one of the other majorities could've just undone it.

The phrasing "they didn’t take away anybodies rights" is interesting too. Because it reads well at the start, but then gets weird if you deconstruct it. Like, if we all got together and voted to repeal the first amendment, that wouldn't directly rob us of a right, the new laws and actions in the court system would. In this case, it opens things up to rearrange rights. In essence it rolls back protections on certain "rights." And that colloquially is described as taking rights, though perhaps inaccurately.

Here is the fundamental problem. Abortion cannot be a right as acknowledged by the founders. Rights are something that you posses by simply being a human. You posses the right to speak, to practice your religion, to defend yourself. Nobody has to provide you anything to exercise that right.

By definition, Abortion cannot be a right as it requires that someone provide you with a service. You have the right to pursue an abortion, but the people of each state have a right to decide if the practice is legal in their state. If you don't like it, you are free to move to a state that allows it.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #18320 on:** July 27, 2022, 07:49:45 AM »

Quote from: NorthernOhioBuckeye on July 27, 2022, 06:56:04 AM

Here is the fundamental problem. Abortion cannot be a right as acknowledged by the founders. Rights are something that you posses by simply being a human. You posses the right to speak, to practice your religion, to defend yourself. Nobody has to provide you anything to exercise that right.

By definition, Abortion cannot be a right as it requires that someone provide you with a service. You have the right to pursue an abortion, but the people of each state have a right to decide if the practice is legal in their state. If you don't like it, you are free to move to a state that allows it.

Although I agree that the constitution does not provide you with a right to abortion access, some of the logic seems a tad stretched.

If a right can't be a right acknowledged by the founders if it's not explicitly stated in the original constitution, then it would seem we have very few rights, and the government has vast purview into our lives. This seems a negative end result. It also means a fetus simply can't have rights either, as the founders did not see fit to explicitly define them as human beings.

The second part it also interesting because it sort of takes three tracks on rights, that someone be forced to provide something and that the government can't tell you not to do it. I think the first part is on shakier ground. I have the right to bear arms, but no one has to give me arms. The third seems sort of odd as well. "The people of each state have a right to decide if the practice is legal in their state." That's not really a right, as much as calling having a government a right.

Anywho, it'll descend into some weird stuff, as we're not a people that can stop at being reasonable. Rarely have been, certianly not now.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #18321 on:** July 27, 2022, 07:57:35 AM »

Images: $1.5B Arthur M. Blank Hospital has risen up over Atlanta | Urbanize Atlanta

His foundation donated $200 million to this new hospital, which is fine with me, though he is deriving a benefit from this. I'm curious whether that benefit is within IRS guidelines.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #18322 on:** July 27, 2022, 08:21:41 AM »

In my OPINION, this thread is interesting when folks share information/facts that others may have missed. When it comes down to opinions alone on hot button issues, we each have our own, and won't change them because someone else voices a differing opinion, any more than we'd switch teams to support because someone else likes the Jayhawks.

But we can learn things about issues if folks focus more on facts and less on opinions. At least, that is my opinion.

bayareabadger · « **Reply #18323 on:** July 27, 2022, 08:37:59 AM »

Quote from: longhorn320 on July 26, 2022, 10:59:55 PM

OAM

Here is a article on what some states have proposed and passed concerning late term abortions

if you can get your head out of your butt and read it you might learn something

https://lozierinstitute.org/six-states-and-their-radical-approaches-to-abortion-law/

That article was both interesting and odd. It's definitely trying to sell the fear factor, instead of drilling in on things that connect to actual "late term" abortions or the legal scope.

It seems to get hung up on ... I guess I'd call the political pet topics. If they stripped out lamenting 1. Taking old and at that point unused laws off the books (since courts said they weren't enforceable anyway) 2. Allowing different medical professionals to perform the thing 3. Rolling back the brand of arbitrary fake safeguards that have been used as a way to restrict working around the law, it could probably get at the point better.

Though that might make it easier to have nuanced discussions which might not be the point.

utee94 · « **Reply #18324 on:** July 27, 2022, 09:17:27 AM »

Just made my reservations for Spring Break 2023, we'll be taking the RV out to Big Bend National Park in West Texas, and staying there for a week.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #18325 on:** July 27, 2022, 09:23:25 AM »

I want to do the Big Circle Tour in Utah soonish. We've done a part of it, but didn't stay long enough in some areas like Bryce Canyon.

Probably fly into LAS because it's usually cheaper, I'd check Salt Lake as well. We happened upon Guardsmans Pass in October once, it was spectacular, and not even a park.

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