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« Reply #18060 on: July 17, 2022, 10:21:33 PM »
Yup, I think that's the biggest problem.

Both party's platforms have become so nationalized, you are voting for the same thing anywhere.  I love that people brought up Bernie's past history of opposition of gun control laws.  Guess what, he's been around long enough that a D from Vermont didn't look like a D from NYC, or a D from California.  Now, that's not the case.  It's toe the party line, or they'll vote you out.  Democrats are furious at Joe Manchin.  He's a moderate Democrat, who opposes certain climate restrictions that would hurt his constituents.  I'll give him credit, we need more like him.  He's what a Democrat from WV should look like.
Well said, conveyed much better than my attempts.

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« Reply #18061 on: July 18, 2022, 05:44:33 AM »
I think it's interesting because I think politics as part of identity has always been a thing, to a degree (and has oft been tied to class, creed, ethnicity and whatever else).

Back in the day, folks did have an "indentity" of various sorts, they would be Ford guys or Chevy guys, Baptists or Methodists (and a few Presbyterians, they were kinda weird, but no Catholics at all), Tech guys or Dawg guys, in Cincinnati it was West Siders or East Siders, still is I suspect.

I have a few brands I prefer, but not that strongly, commercial brands.  Down here most folks hail from somewhere else.  I used to get asked at parties which HS I attended in Cincy, it was a brand name for folks there.  Of course they had never heard of my actual HS.  I thought it an odd question.  Most in Cincy are from Cincy.  Their HS identifies them.

Humans are clannish and social, individually we aren't much, but in aggregate ....

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« Reply #18062 on: July 18, 2022, 06:46:14 AM »
The design and testing of the X-59 Quiet SuperSonic Technology (QueSST) aircraft will attempt to prove that the latter is possible. NASA is attempting to prove that commercial supersonic aircraft can be constructed in such a way that the loud sonic boom they generate can be replaced with a much more tolerable sonic “thump.” Theoretically the sonic boom laid down by supersonic aircraft can be turned into a noise similar in magnitude to the noise generated by slamming a car door. It is believed that the general public, pets, structures and insurance companies will be able to endure this major reduction in noise on a regular basis.
Sonic booms are tough to eliminate. The boom happens when shockwaves are produced by an aircraft as it pushes its way through the air and displaces it as it approaches, or exceeds, the speed of sound. Sonic booms are simply a change in pressure but they generate enormous amounts of energy. Most booms generated by aircraft are in the vicinity of 110 decibels, which is similar to the sound energy of a nearby explosion or thunder released by a lightning strike, and they are just as surprising.
NASA has designed the X-59’s testing into three phases:
1) Design (completed) and construction (continuing) of the aircraft. After Lockheed Martin has completed assembly of aircraft, it will enter, what I was told to be, a 10-flight validation program completed by Lockheed Martin before the aircraft is handed over to NASA. These initial flights will include a check-out of the aircraft and validation of safety and expected performance. This will hopefully be happening at the end of this year or early 2023. The pandemic has slowed everything down on this project.
2) NASA will test the X-59 to validate its acoustic signatures. At this point, the flights are slated to be flown in the vicinity of NASA Armstrong and Edwards Air Force Base. The data from these tests will hopefully prove that the X-59 is capable of regular operations in the National Airspace System. The flights will also validate the testing equipment used to determine the impact of the “sonic thump” expected from the aircraft.
3) The X-59 will fly over selected communities across the United States to gather data from the general public to determine their opinions of the noise generated by the aircraft. At this point, I imagine this will be happening in 2024 or 2025 and will continue for a couple of years. I have not heard if the specific communities have been selected at this point. I imagine that the aircraft will travel around the country taking advantage of geographic and population density issues that will certainly affect the magnitude of the “thump” laid down by the aircraft.
At this point, the X-59 test program mission is set to end in 2027—taking into account any delays. Data gleaned from the project will be presented to rule-making and regulatory bodies for evaluation. If the program is successful, the hope is that new aircraft can be designed and evaluated by the noise they generate and not on an arbitrary speed limit.


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« Reply #18063 on: July 18, 2022, 08:58:24 AM »

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« Reply #18064 on: July 18, 2022, 10:09:52 AM »
Snoop Dog?
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« Reply #18065 on: July 18, 2022, 10:29:08 AM »
some of us talk about identity politics and how evil it is but Im not really sure what it really is

could someone please define what is meant by identity politics cause I think it might mean different things to different people
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« Reply #18066 on: July 18, 2022, 11:40:06 AM »

  • a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics.



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« Reply #18067 on: July 18, 2022, 11:42:15 AM »
  • a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics.



and why is that bad

why shouldnt individuals with a cause band together to promote it

please enlighten us
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« Reply #18068 on: July 18, 2022, 11:50:25 AM »
It's not inherently bad except that in some ideal world, we'd make individual decisions, not just because our group decides for us.

  Lemmings.

In reality, out schism is mostly rural-v-urban.  It's an entirely different existense, I have lived both.  In a city, one is very dependent on government.  In the country, one barely depends on government.

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« Reply #18069 on: July 18, 2022, 12:16:16 PM »
It's not inherently bad except that in some ideal world, we'd make individual decisions, not just because our group decides for us.

  Lemmings.

But what about the folks who truly feel very pro a certain cause that are naturally drawn to others with the same cause

I agree that one should always think for themselves

what about those who think for themselves realizing there is a large group of others with the very same feelings towards how to make this country a better place

maybe those taking part in  the Boston tea party were looked upon as evil identity politics people
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« Reply #18070 on: July 18, 2022, 12:19:15 PM »
I see as when some unrelated factor, like one's race, causes one to have specific political views.

If you grow up in Texas, you're apt to be a Longhorn fan, which is fine, we all do it, more or less.  It's not really rational, otherwise we'd have sports fans randomly dotted around the country.

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« Reply #18071 on: July 18, 2022, 12:24:11 PM »
In the country, one barely depends on government far more than one thinks they do.
FIFY. 

Most of the interior West would not exist if it weren't for massive government subsidy, both then and now. 

In Minnesota, the tax dollars go out of the Twin Cities metro, not the other way around.

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« Reply #18072 on: July 18, 2022, 12:28:52 PM »
I see as when some unrelated factor, like one's race, causes one to have specific political views.


If someone adopts a view just to fit in that is not good

everyone should think for themselves

Im a strict Constitutionalist and when trying to decide which side of an issue I fall on I apply the Constitution test

If it passes that then I apply the "Its the right thing to do" test

there are several things that come into play when making a pro or con decision on an issue

everyone should make an effort to evaluate in a similar manner

after doing so it would be perfectly natural to gravitate towards others who have the same view

and as an aside there are plenty of upside down hookem fans in Texas

The Dallas area comes to mind
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« Reply #18073 on: July 18, 2022, 12:36:37 PM »
some of us talk about identity politics and how evil it is but Im not really sure what it really is

could someone please define what is meant by identity politics cause I think it might mean different things to different people
A friend said he felt is was distinct in a way because it was a factor of attaching political beliefs to something innate (race, gender, sexual orientation) as compared to something chosen (profession, religion, etc.).

On a personal level, and remember I'm highly cynical, I think it's just a case of branding. Tying politics to each category of identity is as old as politics itself, and is basically the MO of every party that exists. The raising of it to something really bad seemed, to me anyway, more like a narrative cudgel because we need at least one anchor for freakout per month per side. 

 

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